2011 ahfs

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Stocker 2

Racers who did not get caught up in the "lets spend the kids inheritance so we can try to keep up with those who have deep pockets" may come out ahead after all.

There are an awful lot of Stock and S/S racers who run and are evidently satisfied with being .85 under or slower. Nitro Joe's Stats show about 2/3 of the racers fall into that category. If their combo gets hit with horsepower, so what. Sure they may not qualify for Indy but not everyone lives within driving distance or can even afford that much time off from work. Maybe a faster car in their class will put them on the trailer heads up but in the meantime they are racing and probably still having fun. Too bad the fast racer's money has been wasted because they are only going to be slapped with horsepower for going quick.

Maybe big bucks all out performance was NOT the way to go.

And for those fast big buck racers who do plan on parking their cars in protest, that will only lower the qualifying number to get into Indy. This is all a win-win situation for the higher percentage of racers who cannot afford to spend the big bucks. You know, the racers who get accused of not working hard enough on their cars.

You are 100% wrong. Lets say Joe Blow has a big block Camaro? And very deep pockets. He goes out spends money and gets the combo factored to death. Now the low buck guy can't run the index in the hot weather.
Is this your idea of having fun?

The only way to cut costs is with strict rules enforcement. And we know that ain't going to happen.

[Bob Pagano]

Art your right. And Billy, Yes you can change class like Fletcher did and will have to do again very soon but how many people can drive like Dan ?

[Adger Smith]

Good points Stocker 2, But

You loose the Performance issue of Stock and SS. What does qualifying become? It becomes time trials where you learn what to dial first round and beyond. It leaves the race with only one incentive to go faster. Possible heads up runs. Oh, there is one other incentive, EGO..... The way the quota entry system works it kills the 128 car qualifying issues. If you have a race with a 70 quota you are in if you just attend. Indy and a few div 1 races will be the only places you are in a situation to go fast and make the 128 cutoff. So There goes that reason to be fast.
How is this going to hurt the bread and butter business of Stock/SS engine and head suppliers? It looks like if a guy wants real performance he has to race in TD or TS where the qualified field still stands for performance.

[Stocker 2]

"You lose the Performance issue of Stock and S/S." And your point is???? Look where the pursuit of performance has gotten us. It is on the verge of destroying Stock.

With an AHFS hit, it would take several times to keep a BB Chevy from running the index. Less than 10% of the cars cannot run at least .3 under. Besides it does not take $5000 heads on a Stocker to run below the index.

One of the problems is $25K engines and $5K heads in Stock. That don't sound like bread and butter to 2/3 of the racers. Some of you guys have priced yourself into too high a level in the name of performance (and ego). You've been paying everyone else FOR horsepower in order to go fast, now its time to start paying WITH horsepower for going too fast.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

How is this going to hurt the bread and butter business of Stock/SS engine and head suppliers? It looks like if a guy wants real performance he has to race in TD or TS where the qualified field still stands for performance.

I will never be too awfully worried about " the bread and butter business of Stock/SS engine and head suppliers" as some(not all) long ago "sold their souls" to customers that were willing to pay for "enhanced" parts.Now those same customers are dealing with Ford and Chrysler for their "enhanced" parts.
Just like NHRA doesn't care enough to throw out the bogus parts, they certainly won't care about throwing out some bogus horsepower ratings.

This becomes a safety issue also. How fast safely can you run a 9 inch tire car and at what weight? You guys with the AA-C cars and even slower know what I am talking about. More than once I have had both hands at 1000 ft and the pucker factor at about 10!
I don't think NHRA will make any changes for fear of loosing any deals they have with Ford and Mopar. It's a done deal.

[Adger Smith]

I don't know where you got your numbers. You sure need to take a look at the latest Nitro Joe's stats. I don't think your numbers fit the stats.

Billy, in my case I have found it is also a new group of customers that are showing up with DP and Ford combos. I haven't had a "Real" stocker engine in the shop for several years. A few Crate motors then all of a sudden these DP's show up.

Quote Stocker 2 "Just like NHRA doesn't care enough to throw out the bogus parts, they certainly won't care about throwing out some bogus horsepower ratings."

I thought this is what the new and enhanced AHFS was going to do for everyone.

Like Stocker 2 said..
I think You hit he nail on the head: Quote; You've been paying everyone else FOR horsepower in order to go fast, now its time to start paying WITH horsepower for going too fast.
It looks like NHRA has found it easier, probably cheaper too, to work a few numbers and stats after a race than do tech and correctly factor combos. So we now have a system that punishes anyone wanting to go faster.
Oh well, it is what it is.

[Bryan Worner]

Mike. If I'm reading this right, does this mean that if a Cavalier or Cobalt running a particular combination in SS/GT, that is also being run in a GT Camaro or Firebird, triggers and gets hp, that ONLY the Cavalier or Cobalt gets that hp, not the Camaro or Firebird???

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the way I read it!

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Bryan, It's always said that. It just hasn't been enforced in GT. Maybe now it will be.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by art leong

You are 100% wrong. Lets say Joe Blow has a big block Camaro? And very deep pockets. He goes out spends money and gets the combo factored to death. Now the low buck guy can't run the index in the hot weather.
Is this your idea of having fun?

The only way to cut costs is with strict rules enforcement. And we know that ain't going to happen.

Enforcement hasnt happened for years in "Certain Areas" of the engine so it wont start now !