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Old 11-20-2010, 01:50 AM   #71
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There needs to be some provision for one or two car classes to keep them from killing a class. The setting of records should be exempt from AHFS. Aren't records supposed to be the fastest and best of the class. How is that going to happen with this new AHFS?
It sure is going to put a halt to what remains of all out class elemination runs, too. TD and TS are looking better. At least they have all out qualifying.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:34 AM   #72
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You can hide from the performance ****s with me…. In super stock.

Not only are they killing the performance aspect of the sport. The proposed system along with the new weight limits changes things for a lot of people. I won’t even be able to run in K because of the upper weight limit. It’s a head on attack on fast cars old or new. Maybe they didn’t like seeing a PT cruiser spank all the new factory cars at Indy.
Here is a question for the legal buffs; with the new maximum weight rule a 170# driver can drive my car in K but a whale like me cannot run the car in K. Discrimination based upon physical attributes?
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Old 11-20-2010, 04:27 AM   #73
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About the 340 Mopars......Then 340 Combo I currently run (E/F/G) in the A body Mopar moved to 293 HP in 2010...prior to that 289 for some years prior to that 285 for quite a while. It has been as low as 265 in the time I have been around that combo in NHRA. The same combo has been factored all the way to 299 in the E body. This is the low compression/smaller valve Version.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:15 AM   #74
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random thoughts (after reading everyone's rants)

1. Many are complaining that "no one can (or should want to) go faster than -.99 under the index..... That's the same threshold we had this year (two hits of -1.00 got you reviewed).

2. Every hp review system NHRA has ever used always penalized the fastest combos in stock and SS. Wether it's the current AFHS, or the old system where NHRA would just give you hp because you are too fast, the fastest combos always got hit (most of them). - SO if you can go -1.20 under todays index.... do you think you don't need hp???

3. We all agree the dp and cjs are soft.... but so are alot of other combos.

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Old 11-20-2010, 09:24 AM   #75
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This is just a way for NHRA to shift the focus from putting the new cars in their own class. With new combinations coming out every year with bogus hp ratings and slightly different specs Ford and Chrysler will be running vastly under factored motors for years to come. When a motor is 100 hp under factored it's going to take a long time to get it right. Instead of properly factoring these combinations as they come out NHRA will continue to roll over for Ford and Chrysler because they are getting money, cars and trucks from them.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:29 AM   #76
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Maybe this will make using $3000 + "enhanced" cylinder heads and intake manifolds on stockers obsolete? LOL The only cars with an advantage now are the new underrated combos. They can take hit after hit after hit and still be fast.

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Old 11-20-2010, 09:50 AM   #77
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Maybe this will make using $3000 + "enhanced" cylinder heads and intake manifolds obsolete?
Don't hold your breath, Terry. The "d**k swingers" and "ego polishers" will never have a problem trashing a combo and just moving to another one.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:57 AM   #78
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Don't hold your breath, Terry. The "d**k swingers" and "ego polishers" will never have a problem trashing a combo and just moving to another one.
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:00 AM   #79
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This is just a way for NHRA to shift the focus from putting the new cars in their own class. With new combinations coming out every year with bogus hp ratings and slightly different specs Ford and Chrysler will be running vastly under factored motors for years to come. When a motor is 100 hp under factored it's going to take a long time to get it right. Instead of properly factoring these combinations as they come out NHRA will continue to roll over for Ford and Chrysler because they are getting money, cars and trucks from them.
That paragraph says it all.If you don't reel these cars in now you never will.Especially with the new ones being slipped in every year.
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:19 AM   #80
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Racers who did not get caught up in the "lets spend the kids inheritance so we can try to keep up with those who have deep pockets" may come out ahead after all.

There are an awful lot of Stock and S/S racers who run and are evidently satisfied with being .85 under or slower. Nitro Joe's Stats show about 2/3 of the racers fall into that category. If their combo gets hit with horsepower, so what. Sure they may not qualify for Indy but not everyone lives within driving distance or can even afford that much time off from work. Maybe a faster car in their class will put them on the trailer heads up but in the meantime they are racing and probably still having fun. Too bad the fast racer's money has been wasted because they are only going to be slapped with horsepower for going quick.

Maybe big bucks all out performance was NOT the way to go.

And for those fast big buck racers who do plan on parking their cars in protest, that will only lower the qualifying number to get into Indy. This is all a win-win situation for the higher percentage of racers who cannot afford to spend the big bucks. You know, the racers who get accused of not working hard enough on their cars.
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