Class win - Page 2

Michael Beard · 12-23-2009, 12:10 AM

Cute.

442OLDS · 12-23-2009, 12:33 AM

On the subject of class wins,it seems as though it rains quite often and the "class winner" is the fastest car.

Its pretty obvious that the fastest car SHOULD win class,but it is not always the case.

Lets say the A/SA class winner runs 9.85 with a .095 reaction time on his qualifying run.Another car runs 9.90 with a .015 reaction time.

I think the 9.90 car should win because of the better reaction time.

Anyone agree,or just leave things as they are?

(Anybody should understand that there is no personal agenda here,as I have the slowest car by several tenths.)

Tim Kish · 12-23-2009, 09:34 AM

I know its not my fault there aren't more cars in my class. Add to that a performance based index hit we took this fall. IF the .5-under rule remains it will mean to win class on a single in SS/GS in 2010 you will have to run 0.95-under the 2009 index. Art & I both can do that in good air but in july/august heat that is a tall order but there are a couple other cars out there that can't do that.

Is there a justifiable reason why the indexes were lowered across the board? The qualifying order won't change only the number in the right column of how far under you ran will be smaller. I've not looked at any data to see how many cars at any given event would either have to step up or not come as they didn't run .3-under before. I know many that run that close to the index are doing it in "bracket mode" and prefer to run near the bottom of the ladder so it may be a non-issue for many. Also consider that many of the fast runs, records, etc are set with combos run legitimately on kill - one shot wonders. Just think if you had to run a whole event with the car iced down, 2-quarts low on 0-wt oil. We'd be down cleaning the track all the time. I am all for S/SS being performance based but this is ridiculous - not to mention the AHFS triggers are moved higher than before - that too is backwards. If the trigger was lower, more corrections would occur and combos should better align - moving the triggers up just creates a bigger gap than existed previously. So still not clear of what these changes are expected to achieve.

Enough ranting - guess its time to go spend more money.

Bobby DiDomenico · 12-23-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Class win rule will be the same as 2009 and 2008. If there are two or more cars in a class .50 under rule is not in place. .50 under rule is for singles only. As per my phone call today. So yes if there are two or more cars you don't even haft to run the index to win class. The only time that you could lose class if you had two or more cars in that class, is if class is rained out and both cars don't run .50 under. Then no on wins class. Ask Ron Ortiz gatornationals 2007. Ron was the fastest of three cars in his class but all cars were slower then .50 under.

You are kidding right?

tim worner · 12-23-2009, 01:13 PM

I thought you still won class & trophy but did not qualify for contingency if you were not 5 or better under.

Charley Downing · 12-23-2009, 01:19 PM

No Tim it is all or nothing.

Ed Fernandez · 12-23-2009, 02:11 PM

IF the .5-under rule remains it will mean to win class on a single in SS/GS in 2010 you will have to run 0.95-under the 2009 index.

I believe you'll have to go .80 under present index's to get the class win and extras.

art leong · 12-23-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

IF the .5-under rule remains it will mean to win class on a single in SS/GS in 2010 you will have to run 0.95-under the 2009 index.

I believe you'll have to go .80 under present index's to get the class win and extras.

You are right Ed but why penalize the guys that don't have someone in their class?
If the rules says .5 under the index it should be for everybody not just the singles

art leong · 12-23-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tim worner

I thought you still won class & trophy but did not qualify for contingency if you were not 5 or better under.

It used to be if you won class and qualified on or under your index you were guaranteed a place on the ladder. I know because I won class got the trophy and the contingecy but didn't get in the program.
Then they changed it to you have to run .5 under to get the class win. Picking on the singles. it was intended to get rid of cars like mine. But I remember a few high classed manual shifting cars that didn't go the .5 under and didn't get the win money or trophy.

Bill Koski · 12-24-2009, 06:32 PM

As usual the squeaky wheel has gotten the oil!
The strange thing this time is I'm not sure anybody but the powers that be heard the squeak!

12-23-2009, 12:10 AM	#11
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Class win Cute. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-23-2009, 12:33 AM	#12
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,339 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Class win On the subject of class wins,it seems as though it rains quite often and the "class winner" is the fastest car. Its pretty obvious that the fastest car SHOULD win class,but it is not always the case. Lets say the A/SA class winner runs 9.85 with a .095 reaction time on his qualifying run.Another car runs 9.90 with a .015 reaction time. I think the 9.90 car should win because of the better reaction time. Anyone agree,or just leave things as they are? (Anybody should understand that there is no personal agenda here,as I have the slowest car by several tenths.)

12-23-2009, 09:34 AM	#13
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Class win I know its not my fault there aren't more cars in my class. Add to that a performance based index hit we took this fall. IF the .5-under rule remains it will mean to win class on a single in SS/GS in 2010 you will have to run 0.95-under the 2009 index. Art & I both can do that in good air but in july/august heat that is a tall order but there are a couple other cars out there that can't do that. Is there a justifiable reason why the indexes were lowered across the board? The qualifying order won't change only the number in the right column of how far under you ran will be smaller. I've not looked at any data to see how many cars at any given event would either have to step up or not come as they didn't run .3-under before. I know many that run that close to the index are doing it in "bracket mode" and prefer to run near the bottom of the ladder so it may be a non-issue for many. Also consider that many of the fast runs, records, etc are set with combos run legitimately on kill - one shot wonders. Just think if you had to run a whole event with the car iced down, 2-quarts low on 0-wt oil. We'd be down cleaning the track all the time. I am all for S/SS being performance based but this is ridiculous - not to mention the AHFS triggers are moved higher than before - that too is backwards. If the trigger was lower, more corrections would occur and combos should better align - moving the triggers up just creates a bigger gap than existed previously. So still not clear of what these changes are expected to achieve. Enough ranting - guess its time to go spend more money. __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS

12-23-2009, 01:13 PM	#15
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Class win I thought you still won class & trophy but did not qualify for contingency if you were not 5 or better under. __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

12-23-2009, 01:19 PM	#16
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Class win No Tim it is all or nothing. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

12-23-2009, 02:11 PM	#17
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Class win IF the .5-under rule remains it will mean to win class on a single in SS/GS in 2010 you will have to run 0.95-under the 2009 index. I believe you'll have to go .80 under present index's to get the class win and extras. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

12-24-2009, 06:32 PM	#20
Bill Koski Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 213 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Class win As usual the squeaky wheel has gotten the oil! The strange thing this time is I'm not sure anybody but the powers that be heard the squeak!