CJ engine options and HP ratings.

[69Cobra]

How about NHRA gets a moble chassis dyno and they pick and chose cars to put on the chassis dyno when a cars on its way back up the return road and start factoring all combos by there "real" hp. Everybody wants to bitch about everything let take the BS out of it and just show everybodys hand.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

If the hp system was ran correctly this would not be that big of an issue. We all know that.

Then the CJ's wouldn't be in Stock!

[Charley Downing]

Well Alan it's not 1969, sorry. How many parts do you think dealers will sell for those cars (zero)? I still can't understand you guys, auto companies have had a big influence on stock and superstock for 30 plus years when it comes to hp rating’s and the parts they come with. There are alot of 1980’s Oldsmobile’s with parts and factors that are bogus. It would be cool to see these old cars in stk and ss but it won’t bring any new people into our sport. If you look at our sport it’s mostly males over 45 right now. While that is great right now what will happen in less then 20 years? How many people race more then 5 races when they reach the age of 65 plus? I still see these people at the track but watching. Just step back and count how many people in the last five years have stop racing or are no longer with us in stk or ss. We need all the help we can get to keep our sport alive. And I feel that things like this will help our class over time.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

There is nothing on the DP Challenger I cant walk right into the dealer we bought the car from 4 doors down and order, nothing I can think of , everything has a Chrysler part number and its all in their database, and they get it.

I got my SFI Flexplate there, my spare high flow injectors, gaskets, all kinds of crap with more to come, the price is a little higher than I could "hunt" for maybe 5-10% but they get the stuff in like 2 days, and I just pick it up.

Just my 2cents....at this rate Im going to go broke...of throwing my 2 cents in that is...

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Well Alan it's not 1969, sorry. How many parts do you think dealers will sell for those cars (zero)? I still can't understand you guys, auto companies have had a big influence on stock and superstock for 30 plus years when it comes to hp rating’s and the parts they come with. There are alot of 1980’s Oldsmobile’s with parts and factors that are bogus. It would be cool to see these old cars in stk and ss but it won’t bring any new people into our sport. If you look at our sport it’s mostly males over 45 right now. While that is great right now what will happen in less then 20 years? How many people race more then 5 races when they reach the age of 65 plus? I still see these people at the track but watching. Just step back and count how many people in the last five years have stop racing or are no longer with us in stk or ss. We need all the help we can get to keep our sport alive. And I feel that things like this will help our class over time.

[novassdude]

Can I go to that dealer and buy a challenger off the lot with the same motor that is in the DP cars?

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

How about NHRA gets a moble chassis dyno and they pick and chose cars to put on the chassis dyno when a cars on its way back up the return road and start factoring all combos by there "real" hp. Everybody wants to bitch about everything let take the BS out of it and just show everybodys hand.

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

[Jim Carter]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

David:
The silence is deafening...
Ouch!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Well Alan it's not 1969, sorry. How many parts do you think dealers will sell for those cars (zero)? I still can't understand you guys, auto companies have had a big influence on stock and superstock for 30 plus years when it comes to hp rating’s and the parts they come with. There are alot of 1980’s Oldsmobile’s with parts and factors that are bogus. It would be cool to see these old cars in stk and ss but it won’t bring any new people into our sport. If you look at our sport it’s mostly males over 45 right now. While that is great right now what will happen in less then 20 years? How many people race more then 5 races when they reach the age of 65 plus? I still see these people at the track but watching. Just step back and count how many people in the last five years have stop racing or are no longer with us in stk or ss. We need all the help we can get to keep our sport alive. And I feel that things like this will help our class over time.

What year it is has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Sure, there have been poorly factored cars in Stock before. Is that a valid excuse to do it again? If someone robs your house, does that make it okay for the next ******* to rob it?

Screwing the current participants of the sport by bringing in ringers and then making it possible for them to avoid being correctly factored doesn't sound like a real good way to bring in new participants.

I don't think that many people under 45 can afford $75K for a car plus another $15K or so to make it work, so I doubt the ringers will bring in that many new participants, especially young participants.

This little rewrite of the rule book completely changes the character of NHRA Stock Eliminator. Stock and Super Stock are not being "saved" by this, they're being changed. And not necessarily for the better.

Sorry Charlie, the rest of us are not buying it.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

Neither do we. And we're at only 4HP less than the recently refactored Cobra Jets that do.

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

620 at the wheels.
I don't make that at the crank.

That dyno is out of calibration.