How about those ford cj's at vegas

Casey Miles · 11-03-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushwacker

It tickles the **** out of me to see people crying about the CJ's ....When I complained & asked for a fair chance regarding redlights....I believe in worst redlight not 1st redlight... give slower cars an even break.
I was told tough **** build or buy a faster car... Guess what...buy a CJ if you dont like the current rules...
Its a bitch when the rules dont favor you!!! **... LOL....Gotta love all the crybabies who dont mind
screwing a slower class car, pay the price now!!!!!!!

I'm with you on the tree updating, NHRA hasn't paid anything for low qualifier in Stock for a long time so does it really matter how fast the CJ's can go? I can purchase an awful lot of shoe polish to even up the cars, it's just a little tougher knowing when to tap the brakes and send them when they are going 35 MPH faster then you.
Casey Miles

Bobby Zlatkin · 11-03-2009, 02:33 PM

Actually Casey, If you had one in your class, you'd see that it really does matter.

Casey Miles · 11-03-2009, 02:55 PM

I have one in my class, it's just a 2002 Mustang Cobra with a five speed and it's fuel injected, as long as I don't meet up with him and I probably wouldn't, it doesn't matter.
Let's just get the Tree straighten out and all is fine! It's ET racing.
Casey Miles
248H

Bob Pagano · 11-03-2009, 02:58 PM

Here is another point showing they are in the wrong class. First read the post by Jimmy Hidalgo, Jr.in this thread, 9.50 run ok, we know they can go 40s at what mph 144 or better ! Hell the AH cars everyone loves only just got over 150 in SS. NHRA really knows how to kill off a couple of classes.

Bob Pagano · 11-03-2009, 03:01 PM

Casey your not comparing 02 to a 08......there is a LARGE differance.

bill dedman · 11-03-2009, 04:29 PM

RE: "They do need a realistic HP factor. But when they get it, they will be factored out of Stock or have to carry a stupid amount of ballast that will will just end up breaking driveline parts in the end."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Not if a 7 pounds per HP Stock class is introduced.

What is so hard about realizing that? You could call it AAA/S and they'd have a place to race without having to add beaucoup ballast.

What is the problem wirth this? It could serve the '08 blown Mustangs, the Drag Pack Challengers, and the new, blown Camaro Z28 (if it ever shows up.)

There might be some '64 liteweight, Hemi MoPar sedans, a couple of T-Bolts, and maybe a Swiss Cheese Pontiac, or two.... (if they're legal for Stock.)

Is it such a huge deal to add another class on top of AA Stock?

I don't think so..........

Jack Matyas · 11-03-2009, 05:02 PM

Bill - All of those things would be great but I don't think the NHRA ever wanted to have cars that weigh more than 3000 lbs on nine inch tires recording times in the low nines ( or possibly in the eights ) at close to 150 mph ..................

Evan Smith · 11-03-2009, 05:19 PM

Casey,

The 1999-02 Cobra is not supercharged and is by no means a killer, nor does it hae killer potential at the current rating.

Evan

Myron Piatek · 11-03-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

RE: "They do need a realistic HP factor. But when they get it, they will be factored out of Stock or have to carry a stupid amount of ballast that will will just end up breaking driveline parts in the end."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Not if a 7 pounds per HP Stock class is introduced.

What is so hard about realizing that? You could call it AAA/S and they'd have a place to race without having to add beaucoup ballast.

What is the problem wirth this? It could serve the '08 blown Mustangs, the Drag Pack Challengers, and the new, blown Camaro Z28 (if it ever shows up.)

There might be some '64 liteweight, Hemi MoPar sedans, a couple of T-Bolts, and maybe a Swiss Cheese Pontiac, or two.... (if they're legal for Stock.)

Is it such a huge deal to add another class on top of AA Stock?

I don't think so..........

Bill,

That's the same point I was trying to make to Bobby, which is explained in the second 1/2 of my post you partially quoted.

"The new cars need more HP but the factors should be below what we have now. Kind of like a SS/AH class for Stock, but for all 3 manufacturers and their "Factory Experimental" cars."

bill dedman · 11-03-2009, 10:07 PM

Myron,

Am I to understand that you want to "sequester" or "segregate" these new cars from the rest of the Eliminator, like the Hemi '68 cars are?

I fail to see where that would be necessary, if you just create a 7-pound class for them to run in. Other cars could enjoy that class, too... older ('64), liteweight, Hemi Mopars, T-Bolts, etc...

What would be the downside of keeping them as regular Stockers, but in a 7-pound class???

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by taking them out of "Stock," or, am I mis-reading your intentions?

How about some clarification for my thick skull???

Thanks for any information!

11-03-2009, 02:33 PM	#2
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Actually Casey, If you had one in your class, you'd see that it really does matter. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

11-03-2009, 02:55 PM	#3
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas I have one in my class, it's just a 2002 Mustang Cobra with a five speed and it's fuel injected, as long as I don't meet up with him and I probably wouldn't, it doesn't matter. Let's just get the Tree straighten out and all is fine! It's ET racing. Casey Miles 248H

11-03-2009, 02:58 PM	#4
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 248 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Here is another point showing they are in the wrong class. First read the post by Jimmy Hidalgo, Jr.in this thread, 9.50 run ok, we know they can go 40s at what mph 144 or better ! Hell the AH cars everyone loves only just got over 150 in SS. NHRA really knows how to kill off a couple of classes. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-03-2009, 03:01 PM	#5
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 248 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Casey your not comparing 02 to a 08......there is a LARGE differance. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-03-2009, 04:29 PM	#6
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas RE: "They do need a realistic HP factor. But when they get it, they will be factored out of Stock or have to carry a stupid amount of ballast that will will just end up breaking driveline parts in the end." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++ Not if a 7 pounds per HP Stock class is introduced. What is so hard about realizing that? You could call it AAA/S and they'd have a place to race without having to add beaucoup ballast. What is the problem wirth this? It could serve the '08 blown Mustangs, the Drag Pack Challengers, and the new, blown Camaro Z28 (if it ever shows up.) There might be some '64 liteweight, Hemi MoPar sedans, a couple of T-Bolts, and maybe a Swiss Cheese Pontiac, or two.... (if they're legal for Stock.) Is it such a huge deal to add another class on top of AA Stock? I don't think so.......... __________________ Bill

11-03-2009, 05:02 PM	#7
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,933 Likes: 411 Liked 2,058 Times in 401 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Bill - All of those things would be great but I don't think the NHRA ever wanted to have cars that weigh more than 3000 lbs on nine inch tires recording times in the low nines ( or possibly in the eights ) at close to 150 mph .................. __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

11-03-2009, 05:19 PM	#8
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Casey, The 1999-02 Cobra is not supercharged and is by no means a killer, nor does it hae killer potential at the current rating. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

11-03-2009, 10:07 PM	#10
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Myron, Am I to understand that you want to "sequester" or "segregate" these new cars from the rest of the Eliminator, like the Hemi '68 cars are? I fail to see where that would be necessary, if you just create a 7-pound class for them to run in. Other cars could enjoy that class, too... older ('64), liteweight, Hemi Mopars, T-Bolts, etc... What would be the downside of keeping them as regular Stockers, but in a 7-pound class??? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by taking them out of "Stock," or, am I mis-reading your intentions? How about some clarification for my thick skull??? Thanks for any information! __________________ Bill