Lencos in SS

Tony DePillo · 11-02-2009, 07:55 AM

Joe, maybe I need a clutchless so I could beat you for once!
I have enough trouble buying diesel, $20.00 per gallon fuel, hotel rooms, entry fee's, valve springs, $10.00 per quart oil. Those are slow small bleeds. $15,000.00 transmissions, that ain't going to happen.
My first GF4A got over 75 runs on it. I dont think anyones clutchless will do any better. 75 runs for me over two years of service.
I just want to know who lit the fuse on this can of S@$t and why.

Alex Denysenko · 11-02-2009, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony DePillo

I just want to know who lit the fuse on this can of S@$t and why.

Probably some of the same group that decided PG cars needed 3 speeds in SS.

buzzinhalfdozen · 11-02-2009, 08:50 AM

The question of who lit the fuse that's easy, look around at the giant stackers and toter homes. It's my opinion that 90% of the rule changes are desired by 10% of the racers. Just look around at all the new Cobalts and G5's. If these people can go out and buy a new car at $85,000-$100,000 per do you think a clutchless is an issue for them? Me I can't swing it if I couldn't build my own car and engine I'd be gone I like most of you have to work for a living. However I still like to have fast stuff, I have to decide where best to spend my money to accomplish that. Tony, you had me dead to rights the last time we raced, no one was more suprised to see I'd won than me. I told you the first time we raced I have alot of respect for anyone out there rowing the gears. After 25 years of stick racing this was my first car to have a fluid drive, I've got to say it's not nearly as much fun as yanking a lever. Joe

Michael Lyons · 11-02-2009, 11:24 AM

and for the record, the weight break is 5% not 250 lbs. More like 150 at 3000 calculated weight. I definitely agree with those who don't like this rule because it only helps out the wealthier racers. I still run a PG in my junk because its alot more reliable and consistent and inexpensive or it was anyways and because I already owned a bunch of PG parts back when I had to buy a S/S car because they killed my class(anybody wanna buy an ole chassis craft car, cheap?). Heck I run a PG in my wannabe Comp car.. lol

Course I've determined that it basically does you no good to come on these forums and speak your mind, especially about costs. It seems the one santioning body only goes the more expensive route seemingly intentionally just to stick it to the ones that complain then.. pretty much sucks anymore

Dick Butler · 11-02-2009, 12:13 PM

Is it the dedicated Sponser who gets the benefit of this type rule, the "close friend" of the tech department who gets someones "ear" to even consider it?the performance advantages? Obviously they have NEVER cared about the $ cost for the parts but sometimes the reliability...has its points in the decisions...

Rory McNeil · 11-02-2009, 01:24 PM

Mr. DePillo, you stated that the clutchless transmission acceptance is a "done deal" for 2010, where did you you hear or read this information? Also, if this is indeed true, does anybody know if G Force or Jerico could retrofit our current transmissions to the clutchless configuration? I just checked out both Jerico`s and G Forces websites, on a new transmission, a clutchless Jerico is $650. more than a clutch assist DR4. A G Force clutchless 5 speed is $400. more than a clutch assist version, I couldn`t find a clutchless 4 speed listed on the G Force site, do they make one? I have 2 clutch assist Jerico DR4`s, and personally, have been very pleased with their reliabiliy, the only parts that I have ever broke were the 2 gears for 3rd gear ,once, in 9 seasons in my 10.0@132 bracket car. The trans in my Stocker has never been hurt. Granted my cars are both slower than many S/S cars, or some of the higher class Stockers. On a faster car, can anybody say for certain that the clutchless trans would be more durable than a clutch assist unit? Also, would a clutchless trans be any quicker than a clutch assist trans that happened to be shifted without the clutch? Personally, I wouldn`t want to have to buy any new transmission (s), but if my old ones could be upgraded for a reasonable cost, I may be interested in that option, assuming this ruling is indeed, a certainty

LB Racing 3179 · 11-03-2009, 07:49 PM

For the record, the Cars with fully automatic transmissionwith converter may remove up to 5% OR 250 pounds which ever is less from regular class weight.

11-02-2009, 07:55 AM	#1
Tony DePillo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Joe, maybe I need a clutchless so I could beat you for once! I have enough trouble buying diesel, $20.00 per gallon fuel, hotel rooms, entry fee's, valve springs, $10.00 per quart oil. Those are slow small bleeds. $15,000.00 transmissions, that ain't going to happen. My first GF4A got over 75 runs on it. I dont think anyones clutchless will do any better. 75 runs for me over two years of service. I just want to know who lit the fuse on this can of S@$t and why.

11-02-2009, 08:50 AM	#3
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS The question of who lit the fuse that's easy, look around at the giant stackers and toter homes. It's my opinion that 90% of the rule changes are desired by 10% of the racers. Just look around at all the new Cobalts and G5's. If these people can go out and buy a new car at $85,000-$100,000 per do you think a clutchless is an issue for them? Me I can't swing it if I couldn't build my own car and engine I'd be gone I like most of you have to work for a living. However I still like to have fast stuff, I have to decide where best to spend my money to accomplish that. Tony, you had me dead to rights the last time we raced, no one was more suprised to see I'd won than me. I told you the first time we raced I have alot of respect for anyone out there rowing the gears. After 25 years of stick racing this was my first car to have a fluid drive, I've got to say it's not nearly as much fun as yanking a lever. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

11-02-2009, 11:24 AM	#4
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS and for the record, the weight break is 5% not 250 lbs. More like 150 at 3000 calculated weight. I definitely agree with those who don't like this rule because it only helps out the wealthier racers. I still run a PG in my junk because its alot more reliable and consistent and inexpensive or it was anyways and because I already owned a bunch of PG parts back when I had to buy a S/S car because they killed my class(anybody wanna buy an ole chassis craft car, cheap?). Heck I run a PG in my wannabe Comp car.. lol Course I've determined that it basically does you no good to come on these forums and speak your mind, especially about costs. It seems the one santioning body only goes the more expensive route seemingly intentionally just to stick it to the ones that complain then.. pretty much sucks anymore

11-02-2009, 12:13 PM	#5
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Is it the dedicated Sponser who gets the benefit of this type rule, the "close friend" of the tech department who gets someones "ear" to even consider it?the performance advantages? Obviously they have NEVER cared about the $ cost for the parts but sometimes the reliability...has its points in the decisions...

11-02-2009, 01:24 PM	#6
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 315 Liked 1,103 Times in 301 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Mr. DePillo, you stated that the clutchless transmission acceptance is a "done deal" for 2010, where did you you hear or read this information? Also, if this is indeed true, does anybody know if G Force or Jerico could retrofit our current transmissions to the clutchless configuration? I just checked out both Jerico`s and G Forces websites, on a new transmission, a clutchless Jerico is $650. more than a clutch assist DR4. A G Force clutchless 5 speed is $400. more than a clutch assist version, I couldn`t find a clutchless 4 speed listed on the G Force site, do they make one? I have 2 clutch assist Jerico DR4`s, and personally, have been very pleased with their reliabiliy, the only parts that I have ever broke were the 2 gears for 3rd gear ,once, in 9 seasons in my 10.0@132 bracket car. The trans in my Stocker has never been hurt. Granted my cars are both slower than many S/S cars, or some of the higher class Stockers. On a faster car, can anybody say for certain that the clutchless trans would be more durable than a clutch assist unit? Also, would a clutchless trans be any quicker than a clutch assist trans that happened to be shifted without the clutch? Personally, I wouldn`t want to have to buy any new transmission (s), but if my old ones could be upgraded for a reasonable cost, I may be interested in that option, assuming this ruling is indeed, a certainty __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

11-03-2009, 07:49 PM	#7
LB Racing 3179 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 48 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS For the record, the Cars with fully automatic transmissionwith converter may remove up to 5% OR 250 pounds which ever is less from regular class weight.