Lencos in SS

Crisco · 10-27-2009, 02:05 PM

Over heard a rumor of Lenco's (planetary style) transmissions being allowed in SS next year. Anyone else hear about this? Supposedly the Hemi cars are pulling for this for 2010.

X-TECH MAN · 10-27-2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisco

Over heard a rumor of Lenco's (planetary style) transmissions being allowed in SS next year. Anyone else hear about this? Supposedly the Hemi cars are pulling for this for 2010.

I heard something about clutchless trans but running a Lenco is getting out of hand. S/S and stock is almost a joke already not to mention all of the modifications they are doing to the Hemi engine in SS/AH.

Mopar Steve · 10-27-2009, 03:21 PM

Excellent! Maybe Mega Blocks and Merlins are next!!!

Mike Voth · 10-27-2009, 03:35 PM

Why not? I know dad is tired of replacing gears, shafts, forks, sliders, and more gears all the time. Not from breakage, necessarily, just abuse.

While we're at it, titanium valves would be a good idea, also.

But there's a million things you could change. Where would you draw the line??

Myron Piatek · 10-27-2009, 03:42 PM

History keeps repeating itself. Mostly tube chassis and Lencos started to be used in Pro Stock in the early-mid-'70's. And those cars originally started as SS's.

To put things in perspective, the Pro Stock records in the late '70's were in the low to mid 8 second range!
(Before the 500" limit.)

bill dedman · 10-27-2009, 05:21 PM

And, the last car to hold the lbs./cu.in. Pro Stock MPH record (with MPH arguably being the most reliable HP indicator) was a 383" Hemi, run by John Hagen.

I think the Ford Cleveland was pulling more weight per cube than the Hemi at that time, though, so there's not really any way to compare engines; it's all apples and oranges...

Jeff Lee · 10-27-2009, 05:28 PM

I hear rumor of "clutchless" manual transmissions, not planetary (Lenco type) transmissions.
My understanding is a planetary will probably slow down when compared to a Jerico / G-Force type transmission.
I would be all for it. The transmission looks identical to it's clutch type twin. It's only the internals that are different. Automatics can change everything, look at a Pro-Trans and all of their modifications. Then there are e-shifts, trans-brakes, etc.
Stick racers should have the same benefits and that includes clutch releases comparable to trans-brakes.

SuperStockDodge · 10-27-2009, 07:11 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't like where this is leading to (just my opinion)

It's bad enough as it is, just taking more and more "drive" out of the "driver" What happened to manual transmission drivers in Stock & Super Stock that actually had to use their coordination skills after they dropped the clutch on the starting line. Might as well allow clutchless transmissions (since most drivers don't use the clutch anyhow) but as far as lencos, give me a break! I could just see a few more years down the road, air shifters would be allowed for the lencos and we would have to start certifying the harness/bracket that holds the CO2 bottle.

I LOVE Super Stock, we don't need to take anymore of the (stock) out of Super "Stock". There is plenty of "Super" in the class already. Clutch/Transmission technology has come along way in the last 10 years, whoever said a (clutch assisted-manual transmission) car was less work than a automatic car? We need to just keep things the way they are and if someone wants a lenco-go run Comp or P/S...

james schaechter · 10-27-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisco

Over heard a rumor of Lenco's (planetary style) transmissions being allowed in SS next year. Anyone else hear about this? Supposedly the Hemi cars are pulling for this for 2010.

I heard that the possiblity of a clutchless is there, but not a planetary. Just the split slider deal like Jeff said. It has to be voted on by the committee. I think it would be a step in the right direction for the modified guys anyway. At least a modified guy with a stick might have a chance against the weight break for autos.

I don't think the Lenco would be anyone's choice in SS even if it was legal.

herbjr · 10-28-2009, 06:49 AM

One thing about a Lenco it would never break. Why are guys worried about Lenco's when stick guys arent using the clutch now. They are pulling a lever. I had a lenco 20 years ago and I used it 2 years and sold it for more than I paid for it. It is slower than a clutchless no doubt, but how much is stock anymore anyway. I have a pro trans 904 Chrysler that takes a Chevy Convertor. Its so far out who really cares anymore.

Herb Jr

10-27-2009, 02:05 PM	#1
Crisco Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hendersonville, TN 37075 Posts: 224 Likes: 4 Liked 43 Times in 19 Posts	Lencos in SS Over heard a rumor of Lenco's (planetary style) transmissions being allowed in SS next year. Anyone else hear about this? Supposedly the Hemi cars are pulling for this for 2010.

10-27-2009, 03:21 PM	#3
Mopar Steve Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 92 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS Excellent! Maybe Mega Blocks and Merlins are next!!!

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Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 527 Likes: 5 Liked 57 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Why not? I know dad is tired of replacing gears, shafts, forks, sliders, and more gears all the time. Not from breakage, necessarily, just abuse. While we're at it, titanium valves would be a good idea, also. But there's a million things you could change. Where would you draw the line?? __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

10-27-2009, 03:42 PM	#5
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS History keeps repeating itself. Mostly tube chassis and Lencos started to be used in Pro Stock in the early-mid-'70's. And those cars originally started as SS's. To put things in perspective, the Pro Stock records in the late '70's were in the low to mid 8 second range! (Before the 500" limit.) __________________ LOCOMOTION Racing Last edited by Myron Piatek; 10-27-2009 at 03:49 PM.

10-27-2009, 05:21 PM	#6
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS And, the last car to hold the lbs./cu.in. Pro Stock MPH record (with MPH arguably being the most reliable HP indicator) was a 383" Hemi, run by John Hagen. I think the Ford Cleveland was pulling more weight per cube than the Hemi at that time, though, so there's not really any way to compare engines; it's all apples and oranges... __________________ Bill

10-27-2009, 05:28 PM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS I hear rumor of "clutchless" manual transmissions, not planetary (Lenco type) transmissions. My understanding is a planetary will probably slow down when compared to a Jerico / G-Force type transmission. I would be all for it. The transmission looks identical to it's clutch type twin. It's only the internals that are different. Automatics can change everything, look at a Pro-Trans and all of their modifications. Then there are e-shifts, trans-brakes, etc. Stick racers should have the same benefits and that includes clutch releases comparable to trans-brakes. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

10-27-2009, 07:11 PM	#8
SuperStockDodge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stickville USA Posts: 261 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't like where this is leading to (just my opinion) It's bad enough as it is, just taking more and more "drive" out of the "driver" What happened to manual transmission drivers in Stock & Super Stock that actually had to use their coordination skills after they dropped the clutch on the starting line. Might as well allow clutchless transmissions (since most drivers don't use the clutch anyhow) but as far as lencos, give me a break! I could just see a few more years down the road, air shifters would be allowed for the lencos and we would have to start certifying the harness/bracket that holds the CO2 bottle. I LOVE Super Stock, we don't need to take anymore of the (stock) out of Super "Stock". There is plenty of "Super" in the class already. Clutch/Transmission technology has come along way in the last 10 years, whoever said a (clutch assisted-manual transmission) car was less work than a automatic car? We need to just keep things the way they are and if someone wants a lenco-go run Comp or P/S... Last edited by SuperStockDodge; 10-28-2009 at 07:16 PM.

10-28-2009, 06:49 AM	#10
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS One thing about a Lenco it would never break. Why are guys worried about Lenco's when stick guys arent using the clutch now. They are pulling a lever. I had a lenco 20 years ago and I used it 2 years and sold it for more than I paid for it. It is slower than a clutchless no doubt, but how much is stock anymore anyway. I have a pro trans 904 Chrysler that takes a Chevy Convertor. Its so far out who really cares anymore. Herb Jr