Lencos in SS

njk53 · 10-28-2009, 07:54 AM

Super Stock and Stock eliminator are really getting out of hand. This kind of equipment is more like a modified production class. Where is this going to end? The trans case should be OEM.

If I had my way I would have SS and Stock be a foot brake class; no electronics, no wheelie bars, Schubeck lifters, etc. Bring some normalcy back to the two classes.
I would have a more thorough list of OEM options from the factory and not dealer installed items to allow the 55-56-57 Chevys back into stock eliminator.

Kris · 10-28-2009, 09:26 AM

Hopefully "clutchless" is allowed. There is no et/mph advantage by having one. The major advantage is cost. The cost to run a stick is through the roof and going clutchless alleviates alot of the expense. If there is no performance edge it should be allowed. Might make things more economical to hopefully allow more people to run a stick

LB Racing 3179 · 10-28-2009, 05:15 PM

I agree with Jim. SS/ Modified and Modified Stock are giving up 250 lbs to the automatics and need a clutchless trans to compensate for the weight break. These are the only classes that alow that on the same index. All other automatic classes in Comp and SS have seperate indexes. Besides most stick cars are not using the clutch anyway.

Dinsdale · 10-30-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris

Hopefully "clutchless" is allowed. There is no et/mph advantage by having one. The major advantage is cost. The cost to run a stick is through the roof and going clutchless alleviates alot of the expense. If there is no performance edge it should be allowed. Might make things more economical to hopefully allow more people to run a stick

Wrong on all accounts. A "clutchless" trans is quite a bit more expensive than a clutch type one and both require the same clutch setup. If there was no ET advantage, why do most of the guys abuse their clutch type trannies by not clutching. I don't see where you think clutchless will be cheaper. I don't think they should be allowed in Stock or S/S and Lenco's definately NOT!! The excitement went out of Pro Stock the day they allowed Lenco's.

tj310 · 10-30-2009, 08:30 PM

Dale thank you for sharing the video I take it you are in B.C.? We are looking at a new trans now Jerico lists $250 more for a clutchless I hear they hold up better which should cut down on maint. cost. Did you see how hard Schachter had to pull the shifter that shoulder strain will lead to expensive surgery! because we live in Canada with free health care it's of no concern to us. By the way at Indy open tech checked our car for clutchless . Thanx Trevor

SuperStockDodge · 10-30-2009, 09:06 PM

I'm with you Dale

I'm sorry, but i can't just let my left leg lay there while i'm banging gears. I don't know, maybe it's all about that number and not having fun and going rounds? If you have a clutch pedal stop, correct free play and are coordinated with a manual transmission, i don't see how it can be that much faster (for me) than shifting without the clutch and i can't justify the extra stress/damage on the (clutch assisted) 4-speed. I pull it out of the car enough as it is! LOL

427_ED · 01-03-2010, 07:59 PM

I'm all for a clutchless trans in SS "hood scoop" classes. Several have mentioned the extra cost. Most SS stick racers carry a couple of spare transmissions to every event, and change them during the event. Do Jerico or G-Force even build a clutchless 4-speed?

Jeff Lee · 01-03-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 427_ED

I'm all for a clutchless trans in SS "hood scoop" classes. Several have mentioned the extra cost. Most SS stick racers carry a couple of spare transmissions to every event, and change them during the event. Do Jerico or G-Force even build a clutchless 4-speed?

Yes, both offer clutchless trannies.

Kris · 10-31-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Wrong on all accounts. A "clutchless" trans is quite a bit more expensive than a clutch type one and both require the same clutch setup. If there was no ET advantage, why do most of the guys abuse their clutch type trannies by not clutching. I don't see where you think clutchless will be cheaper. I don't think they should be allowed in Stock or S/S and Lenco's definately NOT!! The excitement went out of Pro Stock the day they allowed Lenco's.

By cheaper I was referring to overall maint. costs. I am aware of the initial purchase price difference, but my point was geared more towards being more economical in the long run. Much easier on parts.

Dinsdale · 10-31-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris

By cheaper I was referring to overall maint. costs. I am aware of the initial purchase price difference, but my point was geared more towards being more economical in the long run. Much easier on parts.

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

10-28-2009, 07:54 AM	#1
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Super Stock and Stock eliminator are really getting out of hand. This kind of equipment is more like a modified production class. Where is this going to end? The trans case should be OEM. If I had my way I would have SS and Stock be a foot brake class; no electronics, no wheelie bars, Schubeck lifters, etc. Bring some normalcy back to the two classes. I would have a more thorough list of OEM options from the factory and not dealer installed items to allow the 55-56-57 Chevys back into stock eliminator. __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345

10-28-2009, 09:26 AM	#2
Kris Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 49 Likes: 51 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Hopefully "clutchless" is allowed. There is no et/mph advantage by having one. The major advantage is cost. The cost to run a stick is through the roof and going clutchless alleviates alot of the expense. If there is no performance edge it should be allowed. Might make things more economical to hopefully allow more people to run a stick

10-28-2009, 05:15 PM	#3
LB Racing 3179 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 48 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS I agree with Jim. SS/ Modified and Modified Stock are giving up 250 lbs to the automatics and need a clutchless trans to compensate for the weight break. These are the only classes that alow that on the same index. All other automatic classes in Comp and SS have seperate indexes. Besides most stick cars are not using the clutch anyway.

10-30-2009, 08:30 PM	#5
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Dale thank you for sharing the video I take it you are in B.C.? We are looking at a new trans now Jerico lists $250 more for a clutchless I hear they hold up better which should cut down on maint. cost. Did you see how hard Schachter had to pull the shifter that shoulder strain will lead to expensive surgery! because we live in Canada with free health care it's of no concern to us. By the way at Indy open tech checked our car for clutchless . Thanx Trevor

10-30-2009, 09:06 PM	#6
SuperStockDodge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stickville USA Posts: 261 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS I'm with you Dale I'm sorry, but i can't just let my left leg lay there while i'm banging gears. I don't know, maybe it's all about that number and not having fun and going rounds? If you have a clutch pedal stop, correct free play and are coordinated with a manual transmission, i don't see how it can be that much faster (for me) than shifting without the clutch and i can't justify the extra stress/damage on the (clutch assisted) 4-speed. I pull it out of the car enough as it is! LOL

01-03-2010, 07:59 PM	#7
427_ED Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Nicholasville, KY Posts: 265 Likes: 54 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS I'm all for a clutchless trans in SS "hood scoop" classes. Several have mentioned the extra cost. Most SS stick racers carry a couple of spare transmissions to every event, and change them during the event. Do Jerico or G-Force even build a clutchless 4-speed?