Lencos in SS - Page 3

Kris · 10-31-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Wrong on all accounts. A "clutchless" trans is quite a bit more expensive than a clutch type one and both require the same clutch setup. If there was no ET advantage, why do most of the guys abuse their clutch type trannies by not clutching. I don't see where you think clutchless will be cheaper. I don't think they should be allowed in Stock or S/S and Lenco's definately NOT!! The excitement went out of Pro Stock the day they allowed Lenco's.

By cheaper I was referring to overall maint. costs. I am aware of the initial purchase price difference, but my point was geared more towards being more economical in the long run. Much easier on parts.

Dinsdale · 10-31-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris

By cheaper I was referring to overall maint. costs. I am aware of the initial purchase price difference, but my point was geared more towards being more economical in the long run. Much easier on parts.

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

buzzinhalfdozen · 11-01-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SSHemi364

This is pure insanity . For those who don't understand, a clutch assisted box can be shifted without a clutch, at a cost of between .015 and .020 sec per gear change. that is the time spent in neutral between gears. It also limits your clutch tune up as the flair in engine speed applies more counterweight. Do the math, a clutchless will be at least .05 to .06 quicker. Not to mention the ability to tune the clutch in a larger window.

All this does is escalate the cost of racing. Not a smart move given our present economy.What could possibly be the reason for this? Too hard to police? I don't think so, I can show you how to identify the cheaters in a New York min..
I think we need a explaination. The sportsman classes are not the place for highroller experiments. How about stapling the rule book closed for a few years and letting us catch our breath.

Yes I agree it would run cost up however I can't agree with your estimate or .05-.06 E.T. gain. I've tested both styles of trans. in my own car and .02 was the most gain I saw of course results may vary. Yes you can use a more favorable clutch tune however for my money IF allowed I'd jump on the clutchless in a second. Here's why, the initial cost is basically the same the durability of the clutchless unit is far greater, anyone who's ran a clutchassisted and not used the clutch can tell you that the wear is drastically increased with a "small" repair costing $500-$700. With my trans.that translated to about 30 to 40 runs.Racers will always gravitate towards"the fast" stuff, look at the auto trans deal you can run a $1500 Powerglide or you can run a $6000. 3 speed. So with the great price difference of the autos why would cost even be a concern with the manual trans. Joe

Tony DePillo · 11-01-2009, 06:08 PM

So Joe, what the hell do I do with my three clutch assisted boxes, anybody want to buy them eh? I didn't think so. If you study any data download, you'll see why a clutchless is faster, it has to be, look at your g meter when you make the gear changes. As far as the clutch set up being the same, you need to work on your stuff dude.
Now the million dollar question--------WHY?
Rumor has it that a AH car from the west coast, a car that hasn't even been on the track yet, with a driver who's father works for the Glendora bunch, wants it. Now thats a hell of a price to pay for the rest of us idiots. This is the biggest bunch of BS to come down the pike in quite a while.
As far as I'm concerned they have turned this deal into bracket racing with the correct carb.

X-TECH MAN · 11-01-2009, 07:26 PM

[QUOTE=Tony DePillo;.
As far as I'm concerned they have turned this deal into bracket racing with the correct carb.[/QUOTE]

LOL.......Now thats funny.....Its been that way for years.

SuperStockDodge · 11-01-2009, 07:28 PM

Tony D, i'll take one of your G-Forces...a spare is better than no spare!

Kris · 11-01-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

I'm certainly not trying to argue with you either. It doesnt really matter how much we try to hash this out, it boils down to the fact that it probably will never be allowed. And should it be like anything there are plenty of pros/cons to deal with. But with all the money slung at these cars what the hell is the difference I suppose.

tj310 · 11-01-2009, 09:28 PM

If you go to the parts for sale section I believe you will find more adds for Jerico wanted than for sale

SSDA3426 · 11-01-2009, 10:37 PM

Well Guys Ive Thought ALOT of Mods For years Have Changed The Whole STOCK/Super Stock Venues...I Myself Think That LenCos and Planetary Trans should be Disallowed....
As In My Cousin Bullet Bob Reeds Words"I Dont Know What These Kids Are Doin Without Having A Gear Shift To Change Gears With...Taking A Cruise On A Saturday Night".......

No LenCos!!
I Have Tried Them And They Are Actually A More PIA than anything Else AND they are WAY more Expensive...

SS

Tony DePillo · 11-02-2009, 04:00 AM

I hate to break it to you, but the clutchless trans, not planetary lenco's, is a done deal for 2010. Stick shift racers need to voice their opinion or be prepared for one of two options, either be prepared to shell out six to eight thousand for the gearboxes or get left in the dust by those in your class that do.
Once again, why the change, what problem are they trying to fix?

11-01-2009, 06:08 PM	#24
Tony DePillo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS So Joe, what the hell do I do with my three clutch assisted boxes, anybody want to buy them eh? I didn't think so. If you study any data download, you'll see why a clutchless is faster, it has to be, look at your g meter when you make the gear changes. As far as the clutch set up being the same, you need to work on your stuff dude. Now the million dollar question--------WHY? Rumor has it that a AH car from the west coast, a car that hasn't even been on the track yet, with a driver who's father works for the Glendora bunch, wants it. Now thats a hell of a price to pay for the rest of us idiots. This is the biggest bunch of BS to come down the pike in quite a while. As far as I'm concerned they have turned this deal into bracket racing with the correct carb.

11-01-2009, 07:26 PM	#25
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS [QUOTE=Tony DePillo;. As far as I'm concerned they have turned this deal into bracket racing with the correct carb.[/QUOTE] LOL.......Now thats funny.....Its been that way for years.

11-01-2009, 07:28 PM	#26
SuperStockDodge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stickville USA Posts: 261 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Tony D, i'll take one of your G-Forces...a spare is better than no spare!

11-01-2009, 09:28 PM	#28
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS If you go to the parts for sale section I believe you will find more adds for Jerico wanted than for sale

11-01-2009, 10:37 PM	#29
SSDA3426 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: North West Ohio Posts: 9 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Well Guys Ive Thought ALOT of Mods For years Have Changed The Whole STOCK/Super Stock Venues...I Myself Think That LenCos and Planetary Trans should be Disallowed.... As In My Cousin Bullet Bob Reeds Words"I Dont Know What These Kids Are Doin Without Having A Gear Shift To Change Gears With...Taking A Cruise On A Saturday Night"....... No LenCos!! I Have Tried Them And They Are Actually A More PIA than anything Else AND they are WAY more Expensive... SS

11-02-2009, 04:00 AM	#30
Tony DePillo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS I hate to break it to you, but the clutchless trans, not planetary lenco's, is a done deal for 2010. Stick shift racers need to voice their opinion or be prepared for one of two options, either be prepared to shell out six to eight thousand for the gearboxes or get left in the dust by those in your class that do. Once again, why the change, what problem are they trying to fix?