2008 rules changes

Henry S · 12-04-2007, 10:35 AM

new rules changes posted on the NHRA division 5 website for 2008. of note is Super Street with oil retention devices? Super Gas and Super Comp under data recorder list 'no drivetrain sensors' What does that mean? Does it mean no fuel pressure, oil pressure, trans temp or trans pressure sensors? Here is the link.

http://www.nhradiv5.com/apcm/templat...5677&zoneid=15

SSTRACER323 · 12-04-2007, 11:21 AM

Hey Henry

It says Super Street MAY use.... it is not mandatory.
I think they mean a drive shaft sensor.

Keith 944 · 12-04-2007, 12:33 PM

but is it mandatory for any car over 135?

Henry S · 12-04-2007, 12:40 PM

The rules listed are too vague. Why have a diaper on a 126 mph Super gas car but not require one on a tube chassis 632 cubic inch 160 mph Super street car? As far as drivetrain sensors, if driveshaft sensors are allowed on ET cars why not the Super catagory cars? The rule lists drivetrain sensors. These could be interpreted as anything in the drivetrain from engine to shock sensors.

Jason Kenny · 12-04-2007, 03:36 PM

They made us take our driveshaft sensors out for the 5-day bracket race in Bradenton, an NHRA sanctioned track.

Bryan Gillespie · 12-04-2007, 04:56 PM

(The rule lists drivetrain sensors.) AKA counters! The drive shaft sensor can be use with the ignition timing to retard or advance, or speed up or slow down the car(ET)

Dave Steltz · 12-04-2007, 05:22 PM

Jeeezzz...anyone want to buy a useless data recorder ????

What is it with NHRA, so they really believe that there is enough guys out there cheating with this stuff ? And do I really think that the tech guy is gonna crawl under my car to see if I have a driveshaft sensor ? Or I cant hide it from him under a shield or something ?

Why is it they allow all kinds of expensive stuff, we save up for a couple of years to buy it (like I just did last year), and then all of a sudden...nope cant use that anymore...wtf...

And why dont all fast cars need a SFI diaper ( ooppps wait buy a SFI one but we fooled you it only has to be "approved")...Are you telling me that my 496 cube 155 mph SG car is more likely to spit out the rods than the DIV1 SST champs 555 cube 150+ mph SST car ? (he will say yes cause I built it myself !)

And how about the new helmet rule ? I still see guys wearing the open face ones (dunno why )...now not only a full face but with a shield (I'm assuming that visor means shield)...I see the Comp guys have to wear a SA rated one in an open car, how many if us are still using a "M" rated one...you door car guys better get some anti-fog stocked up...Matt S I still have that really cool helmet you gave me, I'll give it back cause you need it now...

By the way I can see the writing on the wall that we will all need a HANS some time soon, I'm not against them but its a pretty expensive deal for a low budget racer...wait will it need to be SFI approved (of course until after you buy it then no)...

And how come unless you basically have a 7.49 or quicker car, you dont have to wear protective shoes...what they dont want me to burn my fingers but anything goes with my toes ?

And what the heck....now I have to make up a rube goldberge pipe to add to my portable 1K generator that I use to charge my batteries that sticks above my tailer ? Oh wait...will it need to be SFI certified ?

Really I just wanted to see what it was like to make a long post like Jason....:-)

sstSteveM · 12-04-2007, 06:09 PM

ALLRIGHT......wings must be non-adjustable during the run.....whoever is running AILERONS on their car, let's see it, I want to see it. As a matter of fact, I want to see wings sprout out from under a Super Comp car and have it take off at the top end......now that would be cool.

At least my thrust reversers are still legal.

I do like rules promoting safety.....but can seem cumbersome like anything else

--steve

frank v · 12-04-2007, 06:51 PM

put shoes on Dave and noboby will see your toes.That post was so long i thought Jason typed it.

12-04-2007, 07:15 PM

The funny part is that we have all this stuff that must be manditory for us to wear in S/G, Comp, S/C but last time I was at a divisional event early in 2007 Super Stockers or Stockers still could wear just a jacket with any kind of pants they wanted and no gloves and some of them are running in the mid 8's and some stockers are running Super Gas times. Go Figure....Don't worry Dave you can always come run some MASGA races with us in 08....

12-04-2007, 10:35 AM	#1
Henry S Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 79 Likes: 9 Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts	2008 rules changes new rules changes posted on the NHRA division 5 website for 2008. of note is Super Street with oil retention devices? Super Gas and Super Comp under data recorder list 'no drivetrain sensors' What does that mean? Does it mean no fuel pressure, oil pressure, trans temp or trans pressure sensors? Here is the link. http://www.nhradiv5.com/apcm/templat...5677&zoneid=15 Last edited by Henry S; 12-04-2007 at 10:41 AM.

12-04-2007, 11:21 AM	#2
SSTRACER323 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Coal City, IL. Posts: 775 Likes: 3 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 2008 rules changes Hey Henry It says Super Street MAY use.... it is not mandatory. I think they mean a drive shaft sensor. __________________ The Doughboy Lee Lones S/ST 323L

12-04-2007, 12:33 PM	#3
Keith 944 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dela-where? Posts: 2,124 Likes: 1,015 Liked 1,661 Times in 526 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes but is it mandatory for any car over 135?

12-04-2007, 12:40 PM	#4
Henry S Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 79 Likes: 9 Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes The rules listed are too vague. Why have a diaper on a 126 mph Super gas car but not require one on a tube chassis 632 cubic inch 160 mph Super street car? As far as drivetrain sensors, if driveshaft sensors are allowed on ET cars why not the Super catagory cars? The rule lists drivetrain sensors. These could be interpreted as anything in the drivetrain from engine to shock sensors.

12-04-2007, 03:36 PM	#5
Jason Kenny Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kutztown, PA Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes They made us take our driveshaft sensors out for the 5-day bracket race in Bradenton, an NHRA sanctioned track.

12-04-2007, 04:56 PM	#6
Bryan Gillespie Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 456 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes (The rule lists drivetrain sensors.) AKA counters! The drive shaft sensor can be use with the ignition timing to retard or advance, or speed up or slow down the car(ET)

12-04-2007, 05:22 PM	#7
Dave Steltz Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 323 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes Jeeezzz...anyone want to buy a useless data recorder ???? What is it with NHRA, so they really believe that there is enough guys out there cheating with this stuff ? And do I really think that the tech guy is gonna crawl under my car to see if I have a driveshaft sensor ? Or I cant hide it from him under a shield or something ? Why is it they allow all kinds of expensive stuff, we save up for a couple of years to buy it (like I just did last year), and then all of a sudden...nope cant use that anymore...wtf... And why dont all fast cars need a SFI diaper ( ooppps wait buy a SFI one but we fooled you it only has to be "approved")...Are you telling me that my 496 cube 155 mph SG car is more likely to spit out the rods than the DIV1 SST champs 555 cube 150+ mph SST car ? (he will say yes cause I built it myself !) And how about the new helmet rule ? I still see guys wearing the open face ones (dunno why )...now not only a full face but with a shield (I'm assuming that visor means shield)...I see the Comp guys have to wear a SA rated one in an open car, how many if us are still using a "M" rated one...you door car guys better get some anti-fog stocked up...Matt S I still have that really cool helmet you gave me, I'll give it back cause you need it now... By the way I can see the writing on the wall that we will all need a HANS some time soon, I'm not against them but its a pretty expensive deal for a low budget racer...wait will it need to be SFI approved (of course until after you buy it then no)... And how come unless you basically have a 7.49 or quicker car, you dont have to wear protective shoes...what they dont want me to burn my fingers but anything goes with my toes ? And what the heck....now I have to make up a rube goldberge pipe to add to my portable 1K generator that I use to charge my batteries that sticks above my tailer ? Oh wait...will it need to be SFI certified ? Really I just wanted to see what it was like to make a long post like Jason....:-) __________________ Dave Steltz 135G SG/SP/SST BIAECH Racing Team Last edited by Dave Steltz; 12-04-2007 at 06:46 PM.

12-04-2007, 06:09 PM	#8
sstSteveM Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 49 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes ALLRIGHT......wings must be non-adjustable during the run.....whoever is running AILERONS on their car, let's see it, I want to see it. As a matter of fact, I want to see wings sprout out from under a Super Comp car and have it take off at the top end......now that would be cool. At least my thrust reversers are still legal. I do like rules promoting safety.....but can seem cumbersome like anything else --steve

12-04-2007, 06:51 PM	#9
frank v Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ny Posts: 286 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2008 rules changes put shoes on Dave and noboby will see your toes.That post was so long i thought Jason typed it. __________________ s/g 1620

12-04-2007, 07:15 PM	#10
BKRacing 1198 SG Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 2008 rules changes The funny part is that we have all this stuff that must be manditory for us to wear in S/G, Comp, S/C but last time I was at a divisional event early in 2007 Super Stockers or Stockers still could wear just a jacket with any kind of pants they wanted and no gloves and some of them are running in the mid 8's and some stockers are running Super Gas times. Go Figure....Don't worry Dave you can always come run some MASGA races with us in 08....