Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch

luckydog · 10-06-2008, 05:34 AM

How much is the Terminator worth with all the shims out? Seems like it can't be much more than the long adjustable Harrington. Thanks

Ed Wright · 10-06-2008, 12:32 PM

They told me about .05 if you push hard on the button. The shims are supposed to be .01 each, but they seem less than that to me. Could be 'cause I'm old.

casper · 10-06-2008, 01:52 PM

as you remove shims , the plunger has a longer travel , and the spring gets stretched . Wouldn't lengthening the spring put more tension on it, and wouldn't this increase the velocity of the plunger on it's way back ? negating the "delay" that you are trying to get by removing the shims. I was enlightened on this topic by a fellow SS racer ... anyone care to chime in ?

MP

Jamie Greening · 10-06-2008, 07:37 PM

I have one in my truck. The instructions say the top 4 shims are worth .005 each with the bottom 2 being worth .003 each because of spring tension. So that is a total of .026 if you go off what they say. I have seen from .030 to .035 on the practice tree and in the truck, but I don't push hard. You could see more if you push hard but it could hurt consistanty.

luckydog · 10-06-2008, 09:44 PM

Anyone have any experience with the long Harrington button. How much is it worth?

Aaron Allison · 10-07-2008, 08:48 AM

I would say it is worth around 2 hundreth. I have never seen much more than that. I have also tried the Biondo 5-0 and I found that it was worth maybe .03-.035, but not very consistent. The best buttin I found to have a lot of delay was the AX. This button is no longer allowed in SS , but it could be adjusted to leave on the second bulb on the practice tree. It seemed like the more you had it adjusted though the more inconsistent it was. Temperature of the button also affected it a lot.

Sal Biondo · 10-07-2008, 01:54 PM

In reply to this thread:

Here is the breakdown on the Terminator Button. The terminator button has been tested to have a total of .040 to .045 worth of 'delay'. The button itself has .01 delay built because of the micro-switch placement inside of it. The remaining .030-.035 worth of delay is in the travel. As far as the shims, each button comes with a row of shims as well as a 'tip' sheet which tells you the value of each shim.

The Harrington switch has been tested to have .020 to .030 worth of delay depending on the user and how hard they press it down. As an average it has .025 worth of travel.

Location of the button has some effect also. We heard that some racers mounted the "Terminators" in a vertical position and got even higher numbers of delay. Vertically mounting the buttons caused the racer to hold it down harder.

As far as "inconsistencies" mentioned in this thread, the button MUST be hooked up to a practice tree in a pro tree mode to test for accurate consistencies and repeatability of any button. The Pro Tree is the best way to test a button since you simply react to the bulb, and not wait for the third amber.

Hope this info helps. We have very thoroughly tested this button.

Sal Biondo
sal@biondoracing.com

tpoh815 · 10-07-2008, 06:09 PM

thank you sal..your knowledge is always helpful.

luckydog · 10-09-2008, 09:33 PM

I recieved and tested my terminator today and here are my results. I hit the tree 20 times at each setting and averaged my reactions, then zero'd everything to my pro tree switch.

Pro Tree Switch: .000
Terminator all shims in: .015
Terminator 2 shims out: .031
Terminator 4 shims out: .040
Terminator 6 shims out: .050
Terminator all shims out: .049

All the hits were made with the 1/8 inch shim in. So as you can see it seems to me the button is worth .015 over a quick releasing button and has approximately .035 worth of adjustment. As you could imagine with this type of button it is not as consistent as the pro tree button and the more shims removed the more inconsistent it became. Just thought I would let you all know my findings. Seems to me like if you really wanted to get some adjustment out of the switch you could mount another spring from under the terminator and attach it to the bottom of the spring inside the button. Just a thought.

Larry Hill · 10-10-2008, 08:36 AM

Sal, Do you have have a button that will speed up us old people?

10-06-2008, 05:34 AM	#1
luckydog Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ottawa, OH Posts: 274 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch How much is the Terminator worth with all the shims out? Seems like it can't be much more than the long adjustable Harrington. Thanks __________________ Damien Hazelton Lucky Dog Racing

10-06-2008, 12:32 PM	#2
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch They told me about .05 if you push hard on the button. The shims are supposed to be .01 each, but they seem less than that to me. Could be 'cause I'm old. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-06-2008, 01:52 PM	#3
casper Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 112 Likes: 4 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch as you remove shims , the plunger has a longer travel , and the spring gets stretched . Wouldn't lengthening the spring put more tension on it, and wouldn't this increase the velocity of the plunger on it's way back ? negating the "delay" that you are trying to get by removing the shims. I was enlightened on this topic by a fellow SS racer ... anyone care to chime in ? MP

10-06-2008, 07:37 PM	#4
Jamie Greening Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch I have one in my truck. The instructions say the top 4 shims are worth .005 each with the bottom 2 being worth .003 each because of spring tension. So that is a total of .026 if you go off what they say. I have seen from .030 to .035 on the practice tree and in the truck, but I don't push hard. You could see more if you push hard but it could hurt consistanty.

10-06-2008, 09:44 PM	#5
luckydog Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ottawa, OH Posts: 274 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch Anyone have any experience with the long Harrington button. How much is it worth? __________________ Damien Hazelton Lucky Dog Racing

10-07-2008, 08:48 AM	#6
Aaron Allison Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: East Palestine, OH Posts: 219 Likes: 4 Liked 150 Times in 43 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch I would say it is worth around 2 hundreth. I have never seen much more than that. I have also tried the Biondo 5-0 and I found that it was worth maybe .03-.035, but not very consistent. The best buttin I found to have a lot of delay was the AX. This button is no longer allowed in SS , but it could be adjusted to leave on the second bulb on the practice tree. It seemed like the more you had it adjusted though the more inconsistent it was. Temperature of the button also affected it a lot. __________________ Aaron Allison 395 STK, 395 SS, 3395 SC

10-07-2008, 01:54 PM	#7
Sal Biondo Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 77 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch In reply to this thread: Here is the breakdown on the Terminator Button. The terminator button has been tested to have a total of .040 to .045 worth of 'delay'. The button itself has .01 delay built because of the micro-switch placement inside of it. The remaining .030-.035 worth of delay is in the travel. As far as the shims, each button comes with a row of shims as well as a 'tip' sheet which tells you the value of each shim. The Harrington switch has been tested to have .020 to .030 worth of delay depending on the user and how hard they press it down. As an average it has .025 worth of travel. Location of the button has some effect also. We heard that some racers mounted the "Terminators" in a vertical position and got even higher numbers of delay. Vertically mounting the buttons caused the racer to hold it down harder. As far as "inconsistencies" mentioned in this thread, the button MUST be hooked up to a practice tree in a pro tree mode to test for accurate consistencies and repeatability of any button. The Pro Tree is the best way to test a button since you simply react to the bulb, and not wait for the third amber. Hope this info helps. We have very thoroughly tested this button. Sal Biondo sal@biondoracing.com __________________ Sal Biondo 1162 COMP, STOCK, SS Biondo Racing Products

10-07-2008, 06:09 PM	#8
tpoh815 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: West Seneca Posts: 537 Likes: 62 Liked 28 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch thank you sal..your knowledge is always helpful. __________________ EX 5-Doorstocker

10-09-2008, 09:33 PM	#9
luckydog Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ottawa, OH Posts: 274 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch I recieved and tested my terminator today and here are my results. I hit the tree 20 times at each setting and averaged my reactions, then zero'd everything to my pro tree switch. Pro Tree Switch: .000 Terminator all shims in: .015 Terminator 2 shims out: .031 Terminator 4 shims out: .040 Terminator 6 shims out: .050 Terminator all shims out: .049 All the hits were made with the 1/8 inch shim in. So as you can see it seems to me the button is worth .015 over a quick releasing button and has approximately .035 worth of adjustment. As you could imagine with this type of button it is not as consistent as the pro tree button and the more shims removed the more inconsistent it became. Just thought I would let you all know my findings. Seems to me like if you really wanted to get some adjustment out of the switch you could mount another spring from under the terminator and attach it to the bottom of the spring inside the button. Just a thought. __________________ Damien Hazelton Lucky Dog Racing

10-10-2008, 08:36 AM	#10
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,633 Likes: 1,928 Liked 10,687 Times in 2,225 Posts	Re: Biondo "Terminator" transbrake switch Sal, Do you have have a button that will speed up us old people? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817