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Old 03-30-2023, 10:10 AM   #11
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Quoting a dear and common friend of ours, "What is legal is what passed tech."

My Camaro was a '67 so I never tried the spoilers. I even ran the OEM 4-piston disc brakes when it was raced as a Z28. It's kinda like hoping the psychology of having the obvious cheating areas clean they won't continue looking. Bob Ayres also taught me to have something very obviously wrong (but easy to correct) when you go through tech so they will stop looking after they "Gotcha!".
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Old 03-30-2023, 10:53 AM   #12
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My good friend and co-worker was running C/SM with a '69 Camaro in the late 70's and at the Etown Summernats was told by Tech he was fine with just the front spoiler. At the scales after a run a guy I only knew as Joe Tech said he was DQ'ed if he did not have both front and rear. A call back and forth and some discussion with various people he was allowed to run with just the front.....and I don't recall the issue ever coming up again.
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Old 03-30-2023, 02:07 PM   #13
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The late great Dave LeBrun didn't have spoilers on his Camaros.
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Old 03-31-2023, 07:01 AM   #14
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As a final anecdote on the gen 1 Camaro spoilers, for most of two seasons before I built the '67 stocker I drove a '67 Camaro E-F/MP car that the owner had installed front and rear spoilers on. This was a 130mph car, much faster than the 100mph stockers I was used to driving. I got him to allow me to remove the spoilers for a while and made approximately 15-18 passes without the spoilers over three weekends. It's hard to say about the ET, but the MPH was easily .7-1.4 faster. In the end he put the spoilers back on because "he liked the way it looked." ??? I didn't last much longer with that arrangement.
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As a final anecdote on the gen 1 Camaro spoilers, for most of two seasons before I built the '67 stocker I drove a '67 Camaro E-F/MP car that the owner had installed front and rear spoilers on. This was a 130mph car, much faster than the 100mph stockers I was used to driving. I got him to allow me to remove the spoilers for a while and made approximately 15-18 passes without the spoilers over three weekends. It's hard to say about the ET, but the MPH was easily .7-1.4 faster. In the end he put the spoilers back on because "he liked the way it looked." ??? I didn't last much longer with that arrangement.
I was at Gainesville around 1985 and looked at your '67 Camaro Stocker and thought it was a very nicely done car.
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Kind of off topic but still related to 69 camaros. It's my understanding the 850 carb on a ZL1 didn't have a choke on it from the factory, correct? If so, why does nhra make it mandatory?
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Kind of off topic but still related to 69 camaros. It's my understanding the 850 carb on a ZL1 didn't have a choke on it from the factory, correct? If so, why does nhra make it mandatory?
I just did a google search for ZL1 carbs, and everyone I found has a choke plate, including some 3000 dollar plus restoration and original carbs.
Where is the info that they had no chokes?
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Old 04-01-2023, 08:52 PM   #18
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I was reading an article about the #1 & #2 zl1s getting delivered of the truck and they couldn't get them started because it was cold outside and there was no choke. But you're right, after doing more research there was a choke plate but apparently it wasn't hooked up from the factory. It's tough to get legitimate info on some of that stuff. Sometimes it seems it's easier to get info on older cars from people on here instead of Google.
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Old 04-01-2023, 10:47 PM   #19
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Regarding Carbs and chokes----All 1967-69 Camaro with Holley carbs had automatic chokes that are controlled by a thermostatic coil located either on the intake manifold or on the exhaust manifold ---THe EXCEPTION to this is the ZL-1 which had no choke----The early ZL-1 cars were produced with Holley 4346 and were later retrofitted at Gibbs with the 4296 carbs. The 4346 is the correct carb for 1969 396/375 & 427/435 engines---the Chevy part number and ID number for a 4346 carb is 3959164--- the Chevy part number & ID number for a 4296 carb is 3955205---my 2 cents
As far as spoilers go I ran a 1967 in Modified Production F/MP with ONLY the front spoiler never was questioned about not having a rear spoiler that car would always high MPH and it would out MPH by 1 1/2 to 2 MPH using the same exact engine in a 64 Corvette with the same driver . Coincidence perhaps? But I thought it looked kinda cool anyway---sold the car with the spoiler on it and the new buyer left it on last I ever saw it. FED 387

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Quoting a dear and common friend of ours, "What is legal is what passed tech."

My Camaro was a '67 so I never tried the spoilers. I even ran the OEM 4-piston disc brakes when it was raced as a Z28. It's kinda like hoping the psychology of having the obvious cheating areas clean they won't continue looking. Bob Ayres also taught me to have something very obviously wrong (but easy to correct) when you go through tech so they will stop looking after they "Gotcha!".
Yes Dwight, Our Mutual friend has said that many times.
Reminds me of some long conversations you and I have had about rules & racing in general. Our friend also says there is no Gray between the black and white lines of the rule book.
But You and I know different. lol
I think there are a couple of Dwight rules in the book as well as a couple of Adger rules. I bet we could come up with a pretty good list of "Named Rules"
Might even be considered it a list of Who's Who in class Racing.
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