1969 Camaro SS

[Dwight Southerland]

Adger -
Quoting a dear and common friend of ours, "What is legal is what passed tech."

My Camaro was a '67 so I never tried the spoilers. I even ran the OEM 4-piston disc brakes when it was raced as a Z28. It's kinda like hoping the psychology of having the obvious cheating areas clean they won't continue looking. Bob Ayres also taught me to have something very obviously wrong (but easy to correct) when you go through tech so they will stop looking after they "Gotcha!".

[Rich Biebel]

My good friend and co-worker was running C/SM with a '69 Camaro in the late 70's and at the Etown Summernats was told by Tech he was fine with just the front spoiler. At the scales after a run a guy I only knew as Joe Tech said he was DQ'ed if he did not have both front and rear. A call back and forth and some discussion with various people he was allowed to run with just the front.....and I don't recall the issue ever coming up again.

[Frank Castros]

The late great Dave LeBrun didn't have spoilers on his Camaros.

[Dwight Southerland]

As a final anecdote on the gen 1 Camaro spoilers, for most of two seasons before I built the '67 stocker I drove a '67 Camaro E-F/MP car that the owner had installed front and rear spoilers on. This was a 130mph car, much faster than the 100mph stockers I was used to driving. I got him to allow me to remove the spoilers for a while and made approximately 15-18 passes without the spoilers over three weekends. It's hard to say about the ET, but the MPH was easily .7-1.4 faster. In the end he put the spoilers back on because "he liked the way it looked." ??? I didn't last much longer with that arrangement.

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

As a final anecdote on the gen 1 Camaro spoilers, for most of two seasons before I built the '67 stocker I drove a '67 Camaro E-F/MP car that the owner had installed front and rear spoilers on. This was a 130mph car, much faster than the 100mph stockers I was used to driving. I got him to allow me to remove the spoilers for a while and made approximately 15-18 passes without the spoilers over three weekends. It's hard to say about the ET, but the MPH was easily .7-1.4 faster. In the end he put the spoilers back on because "he liked the way it looked." ??? I didn't last much longer with that arrangement.

I was at Gainesville around 1985 and looked at your '67 Camaro Stocker and thought it was a very nicely done car.

[PozQB14]

Kind of off topic but still related to 69 camaros. It's my understanding the 850 carb on a ZL1 didn't have a choke on it from the factory, correct? If so, why does nhra make it mandatory?

[1347]

Originally Posted by PozQB14

Kind of off topic but still related to 69 camaros. It's my understanding the 850 carb on a ZL1 didn't have a choke on it from the factory, correct? If so, why does nhra make it mandatory?

I just did a google search for ZL1 carbs, and everyone I found has a choke plate, including some 3000 dollar plus restoration and original carbs.
Where is the info that they had no chokes?

[Adger Smith]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Adger -
Quoting a dear and common friend of ours, "What is legal is what passed tech."

My Camaro was a '67 so I never tried the spoilers. I even ran the OEM 4-piston disc brakes when it was raced as a Z28. It's kinda like hoping the psychology of having the obvious cheating areas clean they won't continue looking. Bob Ayres also taught me to have something very obviously wrong (but easy to correct) when you go through tech so they will stop looking after they "Gotcha!".

Yes Dwight, Our Mutual friend has said that many times.
Reminds me of some long conversations you and I have had about rules & racing in general. Our friend also says there is no Gray between the black and white lines of the rule book.
But You and I know different. lol
I think there are a couple of Dwight rules in the book as well as a couple of Adger rules. I bet we could come up with a pretty good list of "Named Rules"
Might even be considered it a list of Who's Who in class Racing.

[Paul Merolla]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Yes Dwight, Our Mutual friend has said that many times.
Reminds me of some long conversations you and I have had about rules & racing in general. Our friend also says there is no Gray between the black and white lines of the rule book.
But You and I know different. lol
I think there are a couple of Dwight rules in the book as well as a couple of Adger rules. I bet we could come up with a pretty good list of "Named Rules"
Might even be considered it a list of Who's Who in class Racing.

Sounds to me like we need a new thread, Adger and Dwight...inquiring minds want to know!