Wondering what stock racers think

[Bill Bogues]

one under you get hp; Wouldn't take long for difference between combo's to even out. my 2 cents worth.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by MEXJOE

I like, 1.20 under mandatory Tear-down and IF found to be within the rules. Then give the HP.

^^ I agree

But....What if found to be not legal ?

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

^^ I agree

But....What if found to be not legal ?

1 year suspension and no hp for the combo.

[Tom O]

I agree with Tim Stickles (post #16) , No index change, and Bill Bogues ,hp trigger/hit at 1second under. In my opinion time& work on car/combo =$$$$, of witch I have niether. I'm gonna change my National event sponsor/entry to Riff-Raff racing.

[Alan Roehrich]

Lowering the trigger will only result in more sandbagging.


Look,there is only ONE way to make the AHFS actually work worth a damn, the way it should. And the slow guys will NOT like it.



In order to make the AHFS actually work right, you have to actually truly reward performance. If you're not paying real points and real money for qualifying, class wins, and records, no one in their right mind is going to go out with their favorite combination and get it really hit, unless they're hold WAY more than they're getting hit for.


If you don't want to make performance the focus of the class, and make it pay, then you shouldn't complaining about the AHFS anyway.

[B Parker]

Tom O I like you man but you have one of the softest combo's out there. Not many NHRA hp ratings are lower than what the factory rating was. Don't forget Gary ran that combo just a few short years ago. For little to no money he was running a second under. And not many have less to spend them him on racing. And didn't I see you name at a California race. I still hope some day to have that kind of money to get out there. Rif raft my patooty. Not to pick on you but you seem to have something against us that actually work on our cars. I try to test something on one time trial at most of the races I go to where we get three. Not expensive stuff either. How long have you been running that combo? With half my brain tied behind my back and very little money I bet I can pick you up from 1 to 2 tenths for under a grand. Just saying. Your friend Barry

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

The indexes were lowered 3 tenths several years ago and it hurt the car counts. Some of the low budget guys parked their cars after that enhancement. I don't think lowering the indexes is a good idea. The smart move is for NHRA to better monitor the performance of the cars that consistently run at the top of the sheet and apply good sense in the factoring.

Makes too much sense but I totally agree. The AHFS should apply to every pass made down the track, including Indy and national opens. If you can run 1.80 under, you should get horsepower. I agree the AHFS isn't perfect, but at this point in time it's all we have.


Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Daran Summerton

After taking a hit last season I am all for 1.20 instant hp and flushing everything else.

It depends on what you consider mineshaft. I got HP at Mission a couple of years ago when it was -600feet, low humidity and a tailwind but NHRA didn't consider that mineshaft because apparently not enough racers ran fast enough. To make this work the actual conditions have to be taken into account, not just how many fast cars or 1000 ft racers show up.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[Tom O]

BP you crack me up, I was out west in 2000/01. You"ll have to give me a loan& lots of advice. Thanks in advance brother.

[Gary Parker]

Fair enough Gary.


My only question is, and again, not arguing, where does it stop?


Meaning, you worked hard to get to 1.00 under. But the reason is, you're never satisfied (mark of a good racer, never satisfied, always looking for that next 0.05) with how fast you are. So, when you get to 1.25 under, what then?


Alan you asked a great question. Where does it all end. The simple truth is , that it does not. Look at the records in any class from 20 years ago. Then 10 years ago and now. First pro stock to go 6.99 or 200 mph. Comp cars running faster than ever. The hemi challenge time for the past 10 years. And how about Booby DeAround going 9.99 in his big block 1969 camaro. Now no one blinks if a big block camaro goes 9's. Lets be honest. Who thinks their car will be going the same times in 10 years if they still have it. If you do you are fooling yourself. If just adding horsepower is the answer, in time we will all just be A cars. Technology changes, rules change and parts get better. No not everyone can run out and get the trick of the month, but over time we have all gone faster than years gone by. To just say that far under or the trigger is here and that's it, will not work. I think we need to look at what has been allowed (like it or not) and go from there. There may not be an easy answer, but we will all go faster in time.....Just my thoughts.. Gary Parker