Econo Modified - Page 6

randy wilson · 01-02-2014, 02:50 PM

We kinda do have restrictions. 750 cfm in, 3 1\2 exhaust out. max, 2 step header. I think sooner, or later to survive economically, all bodies will have to incorporate something of this sort. Once magazine articles pick up the class, and pump it up, it would be a hit. I think I could get one to do that, but only if it's picked up in advance. I don't think the name either way will make, or break it. I hope that's our biggest concern, what to name it.

Mark Yacavone · 01-02-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

You sure? I only remember those articles talking about restrictions on the exhaust side. And what were the specs on those restrictions? I don't think they were that stringent.

No ,not 100%.
I know there was talk of adapters that would restrict the intake.
I don't remember the final rules.
I remember why it fizzled out...and that it wasn't really econo once a couple of Super Stock racers got involved.
Somebody's got to have the magazine articles..It wasn't that long ago

randy wilson · 01-02-2014, 04:16 PM

Just curious, what was it that a couple of SS racers did that could possibly ruin a class if it was legal? Also, anyone know if it would be hard or near impossible to keep out ceramic bearings?

Ven302 · 01-02-2014, 04:52 PM

Econo modified had an intake restrictor plate (4 @ 1" or 1.25" holes) and an exhaust outlet diameter restriction, originally only for 10.5" tire cars, this was way before all the high tech 10.5 tires avail today ( 14 32 with 10.5 on the side). From what I remember they opened up the tire rule to 14" and it was pretty much over within one race. The thought was to make a smaller plate for the big blocks to reel them in, but it fizzled.
A good friend Jamie Groves showed up for most of the races, pretty sure Ken Sharp won the first one?

We have the articles at home somewhere,

Venice Perno
SSCS 3041

rick winchester · 01-02-2014, 05:45 PM

Mark,e mod was 4 1" holes in the plate, 2.5 dia. collector and 10.5, 29.5 tire. I think it had two wt,. breaks 2800lbs. for under 370 ci. 3000 lbs. for big blocks over 370ci. Ken Sharp won the first two races in my Grand Prix using his and Bill Sempsrotts 400 small block.The whole thing folded when they changed the tire and collector rule. It was great to race heads up with no break out . If something like this will ever survive ,the rules must remain the unchanged. Rick.

Billy Nees · 01-02-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rick winchester

Mark,e mod was 4 1" holes in the plate, 2.5 dia. collector and 10.5, 29.5 tire.

THAT is the formula that you need to pursue if you are going to succeed.
Hi Rick, Happy New Year!

randy wilson · 01-02-2014, 07:32 PM

I'd go for a 10.5 spec tire so everyone runs the same tire. And I'd go for a 2.5 inch outlet. BUT, you have to have people willing to play. And then have someone write, and stick with the rules. If we're going to do that, then let's go all the way, and make it 10 lbs. per cube, 3,000# min. just like it was. Fine with me. Just let everyone know, no matter what, that's the way it will stay. By the way, can we just neck down our current headers to 2.5 inches? I believe the first tire allowed was a 11.5, but that may have been IHRA.

FINESPLINE · 01-02-2014, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=Billy Nees;414795]THAT is the formula that you need to pursue if you are going to succeed.
Hi Rick, Happy New Year![/QUOTE

What Billy Nees said. X 100

Billy Nees · 01-02-2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by randy wilson

I'd go for a 10.5 spec tire so everyone runs the same tire. And I'd go for a 2.5 inch outlet. BUT, you have to have people willing to play. If we're going to do that, then let's go all the way, and make it 10 lbs. per cube, 3,000# min.

Look, if this thing is going to have any chance at all, you are correct in that you need to have people willing to play. The BEST way to get people to play is to have a rule structure that is strict enough to limit the high dollar engine mods while being loose enough to allow in the maximum number of "pre-existing" cars. The cubic in/ weight thing restricts your potential entries too much. Whether you like it or not, you're going to have to come up with something that will attract not just obsolete Modified and SS cars but (like it or not!) Bracket cars and .90 cars too. Minimum weight, put a serialized, restrictor plate supplied by the series promoter or check all plates with a go-nogo gauge and replace your collector with a 21/2" one or put a cone on your collector and pre-check with a go-nogo gauge. In a matter of a half an hour a great number of cars can compete.
I think that I would leave the full tree vs. pro tree open and maybe even consider an instant green tree.

Glenn Hayes · 01-02-2014, 08:22 PM

So ........ your going to allow Automatic Transmissions then, right?

If that's the case, what's the point of another class?

Folks were excited to watch Modified because of the high winding, clutch dropping, 4 dry hops and slamming the gears at 9,000+ RPM.
I wouldn't care if the cars ran 11 second E.T.s.
But, if your going to change things to allow automatics, your just going to have another class without the excitement.

Make the Class with 4 & 5 speeds only.

01-02-2014, 02:50 PM	#51
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified We kinda do have restrictions. 750 cfm in, 3 1\2 exhaust out. max, 2 step header. I think sooner, or later to survive economically, all bodies will have to incorporate something of this sort. Once magazine articles pick up the class, and pump it up, it would be a hit. I think I could get one to do that, but only if it's picked up in advance. I don't think the name either way will make, or break it. I hope that's our biggest concern, what to name it. __________________ don,t have one

01-02-2014, 04:16 PM	#53
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Just curious, what was it that a couple of SS racers did that could possibly ruin a class if it was legal? Also, anyone know if it would be hard or near impossible to keep out ceramic bearings? __________________ don,t have one

01-02-2014, 04:52 PM	#54
Ven302 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stoney Creek Posts: 262 Likes: 41 Liked 34 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Econo modified had an intake restrictor plate (4 @ 1" or 1.25" holes) and an exhaust outlet diameter restriction, originally only for 10.5" tire cars, this was way before all the high tech 10.5 tires avail today ( 14 32 with 10.5 on the side). From what I remember they opened up the tire rule to 14" and it was pretty much over within one race. The thought was to make a smaller plate for the big blocks to reel them in, but it fizzled. A good friend Jamie Groves showed up for most of the races, pretty sure Ken Sharp won the first one? We have the articles at home somewhere, Venice Perno SSCS 3041

01-02-2014, 05:45 PM	#55
rick winchester Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: cincinnati ohio Posts: 209 Likes: 304 Liked 207 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Mark,e mod was 4 1" holes in the plate, 2.5 dia. collector and 10.5, 29.5 tire. I think it had two wt,. breaks 2800lbs. for under 370 ci. 3000 lbs. for big blocks over 370ci. Ken Sharp won the first two races in my Grand Prix using his and Bill Sempsrotts 400 small block.The whole thing folded when they changed the tire and collector rule. It was great to race heads up with no break out . If something like this will ever survive ,the rules must remain the unchanged. Rick. __________________ Rick Winchester Stk 3277

01-02-2014, 07:32 PM	#57
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified I'd go for a 10.5 spec tire so everyone runs the same tire. And I'd go for a 2.5 inch outlet. BUT, you have to have people willing to play. And then have someone write, and stick with the rules. If we're going to do that, then let's go all the way, and make it 10 lbs. per cube, 3,000# min. just like it was. Fine with me. Just let everyone know, no matter what, that's the way it will stay. By the way, can we just neck down our current headers to 2.5 inches? I believe the first tire allowed was a 11.5, but that may have been IHRA. __________________ don,t have one

01-02-2014, 07:59 PM	#58
FINESPLINE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Island of high taxes, N.Y. Posts: 541 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Econo Modified [QUOTE=Billy Nees;414795]THAT is the formula that you need to pursue if you are going to succeed. Hi Rick, Happy New Year![/QUOTE What Billy Nees said. X 100

01-02-2014, 08:22 PM	#60
Glenn Hayes Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Weeki Wachee, Florida Posts: 348 Likes: 416 Liked 18 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Econo Modified So ........ your going to allow Automatic Transmissions then, right? If that's the case, what's the point of another class? Folks were excited to watch Modified because of the high winding, clutch dropping, 4 dry hops and slamming the gears at 9,000+ RPM. I wouldn't care if the cars ran 11 second E.T.s. But, if your going to change things to allow automatics, your just going to have another class without the excitement. Make the Class with 4 & 5 speeds only. __________________ "Real Race Cars Have Tailgates" Last edited by Glenn Hayes; 01-02-2014 at 08:40 PM.