Do Stockers need correct year seats? - Page 6

Evan Smith · 04-12-2010, 11:30 AM

Floyd, I'm aware of how the rulebook works. You can certainly bend the rules to suit your needs, but as Dave Casey pointed out, the spirit of the class is that the seats that came with the option package for the car in question are the seats that should be used.

Re-read what I wrote. I know that certain parts require a part or casting number (intake and heads), other parts must be "factory correct" such as seats, interior and exterior trim packages, for which NHRA doesn't check part numbers, but requires factory parts. Examples of factory parts are hoods/scoops, moldings, SEATS, spoilers/wings, etc.

Bobby Zlatkin · 04-12-2010, 12:16 PM

What a bunch of cry babies. It would be funny if it wasn';t so sad. This is why current stockers are more radical than modified production cars were forty years ago.

My stupid analogy;
Republicans: "Keep stock the way it was in the 1960's.
Democrats : "Keep pushing one change through after another until we have the situation we now have.

What happened to the "spirit of the class". That should rise above "the letter of the law" unless you want the situation Ed Fernandez mentioned with the attorneys.

Those that want more relaxed rules, move up to super stock or just build your bracket car. But don't call it a stocker.

Jack McCarthy · 04-12-2010, 12:22 PM

in the time you guys spent on this post you coulda found the right seats, notched them if needed had MJ upholster them and been drinking cold ones with me & MJ by now...

i personally agreew with travis and with gracia on this as i saw him personally toss danny byrds nova at indy 2 years ago cause his 4 door seat didnt fold in his 2 door car...

the captain... keep em honest travis !!!!!!!!!!

Mike McCandless · 04-12-2010, 01:38 PM

IHRA isn't NHRA, that simple. Regardless if that is right or wrong, is what it is. If I had the ability to travel, I'd LOVE to run NHRA. My issues is that my companies have grown like crazy the past 3 years (thank god) and I simply don't have 3-5 days to give up for a race. IHRA was running all over our local area, so made sense to go with it. Last year, we were approached about the seat situation. We provided proof that this car came with buckets, along with Lee's old car which had them as well (even raced with a scoop). We were under the impression this was NOT an issue as we were simply asked to prove the car came with buckets. The TYPE of bucket was never in question. We never tried to claim they were factor 66-67 style seats. Why would we when the entire stock class we run in is filled with non factory seats. Although they all run a same brand/manufacture seat, maybe not year correct. I personally prefer the duster seat for how I fit in it. I like having support all the way to my head. Something I HATE about the bench.

Is what it is. I think it's funny as hell. Don't say the ONLY issue is us proving the car could have come with buckets, then when we do, fall to a NEW backup excuse of it not being year correct. If that is the case, lets go looking. While the tech guy might not know it. I know for a fact a winning car in IHRA stock doesn't have the correct year seats in it. Would I ever say anything, no. I think it's insane to care. That seat didn't give them a competitive advantage against me or anyone else.

If I were going into NHRA, I would build the car to the nth degree. Like I said, this is IHRA. We all know you NHRA guys look down on us poor IHRA guys. We don't have the number of cars running, so it's easy to find/build a car that doesn't have class competition. If I only had to avoid one car, not worried about that either. I can put myself on the other side of the ladder. Having owned a dragstrip, there is always someone complaining, I don't care if promised every racer 1m dollars, someone would complain about paying taxes. Some racers are there to race and have fun and some are just looking to to whine and complain. It's what makes the sport what it is. Just seems the sport is going away from racing/fun and more towards bitching/whining.

Mike McCandless · 04-12-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

in the time you guys spent on this post you coulda found the right seats, notched them if needed had MJ upholster them and been drinking cold ones with me & MJ by now...

We let the car sit over winter. This was the first time out since it raced at the piedmont thanksgiving race last year. We assumed everything was ok since they had the proof they asked for the prior year. A friend asked if he could race the car. I didn't care as I'm not racing this year. My brother has to deal with both of his sons racing Jr. Dragsters. Which is a full time job and impossible to race a car on your own while taking care of 2 jr's. The car will just sit most of the year till the oldest nephew can drive. Considering I'm probably a foot taller than him, will be a fun shifter "mod". I'm sure if we show up with a 66-67 bucket seats, we'll have a huge argument at the track with the skirt wearing tampon racer that complained in the first place.

Floyd Gomez · 04-12-2010, 02:45 PM

People mention the "spirit of the class" however that spirit has been molested beyond belief for over 20 years. I can't believe this is even an argument. Who cares so long as the seat retains its original mounting point and is same manufacturer. By the way if you want to keep the "spirit of the class" then modifying a bench seat certainly would be out as the "spirit of the class" calls for customizing limited to paint only. There are many rules that most current stockers bend beyond the point of acceptance and would make them illegal. So if you are going to complain about mine be prepared for me to make sure you suffer as much as I with your own. Always be careful what you wish for.

X-TECH MAN · 04-12-2010, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin

What a bunch of cry babies. It would be funny if it wasn';t so sad. This is why current stockers are more radical than modified production cars were forty years ago.

My stupid analogy;
Republicans: "Keep stock the way it was in the 1960's.
Democrats : "Keep pushing one change through after another until we have the situation we now have.

What happened to the "spirit of the class". That should rise above "the letter of the law" unless you want the situation Ed Fernandez mentioned with the attorneys.

Those that want more relaxed rules, move up to super stock or just build your bracket car. But don't call it a stocker.

Yepper ! So true.

X-TECH MAN · 04-12-2010, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

in the time you guys spent on this post you coulda found the right seats, notched them if needed had MJ upholster them and been drinking cold ones with me & MJ by now...

i personally agreew with travis and with gracia on this as i saw him personally toss danny byrds nova at indy 2 years ago cause his 4 door seat didnt fold in his 2 door car...

the captain... keep em honest travis !!!!!!!!!!

Ditto !

Evan Smith · 04-12-2010, 03:27 PM

Floyd,

I'm not complaining about anything. I don't know you, and have never seen your car. Obviously, having correct seats means a lot to many racers on this forum. Just because Stock has changed over the last 30 years (along with every since other racing class in existence) doesn't give you the right to make up rules as you go.

Evan

Bob Don · 04-12-2010, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

So if you are going to complain about mine be prepared for me to make sure you suffer as much as I with your own. Always be careful what you wish for.

Wow! That's a real nice "spirit of the class".

04-12-2010, 11:30 AM	#51
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Do Stockers need correct year seats? Floyd, I'm aware of how the rulebook works. You can certainly bend the rules to suit your needs, but as Dave Casey pointed out, the spirit of the class is that the seats that came with the option package for the car in question are the seats that should be used. Re-read what I wrote. I know that certain parts require a part or casting number (intake and heads), other parts must be "factory correct" such as seats, interior and exterior trim packages, for which NHRA doesn't check part numbers, but requires factory parts. Examples of factory parts are hoods/scoops, moldings, SEATS, spoilers/wings, etc. __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

04-12-2010, 12:16 PM	#52
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do Stockers need correct year seats? What a bunch of cry babies. It would be funny if it wasn';t so sad. This is why current stockers are more radical than modified production cars were forty years ago. My stupid analogy; Republicans: "Keep stock the way it was in the 1960's. Democrats : "Keep pushing one change through after another until we have the situation we now have. What happened to the "spirit of the class". That should rise above "the letter of the law" unless you want the situation Ed Fernandez mentioned with the attorneys. Those that want more relaxed rules, move up to super stock or just build your bracket car. But don't call it a stocker. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

04-12-2010, 12:22 PM	#53
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Do Stockers need correct year seats? in the time you guys spent on this post you coulda found the right seats, notched them if needed had MJ upholster them and been drinking cold ones with me & MJ by now... i personally agreew with travis and with gracia on this as i saw him personally toss danny byrds nova at indy 2 years ago cause his 4 door seat didnt fold in his 2 door car... the captain... keep em honest travis !!!!!!!!!! __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-12-2010, 01:38 PM	#54
Mike McCandless Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 121 Likes: 3 Liked 320 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Do Stockers need correct year seats? IHRA isn't NHRA, that simple. Regardless if that is right or wrong, is what it is. If I had the ability to travel, I'd LOVE to run NHRA. My issues is that my companies have grown like crazy the past 3 years (thank god) and I simply don't have 3-5 days to give up for a race. IHRA was running all over our local area, so made sense to go with it. Last year, we were approached about the seat situation. We provided proof that this car came with buckets, along with Lee's old car which had them as well (even raced with a scoop). We were under the impression this was NOT an issue as we were simply asked to prove the car came with buckets. The TYPE of bucket was never in question. We never tried to claim they were factor 66-67 style seats. Why would we when the entire stock class we run in is filled with non factory seats. Although they all run a same brand/manufacture seat, maybe not year correct. I personally prefer the duster seat for how I fit in it. I like having support all the way to my head. Something I HATE about the bench. Is what it is. I think it's funny as hell. Don't say the ONLY issue is us proving the car could have come with buckets, then when we do, fall to a NEW backup excuse of it not being year correct. If that is the case, lets go looking. While the tech guy might not know it. I know for a fact a winning car in IHRA stock doesn't have the correct year seats in it. Would I ever say anything, no. I think it's insane to care. That seat didn't give them a competitive advantage against me or anyone else. If I were going into NHRA, I would build the car to the nth degree. Like I said, this is IHRA. We all know you NHRA guys look down on us poor IHRA guys. We don't have the number of cars running, so it's easy to find/build a car that doesn't have class competition. If I only had to avoid one car, not worried about that either. I can put myself on the other side of the ladder. Having owned a dragstrip, there is always someone complaining, I don't care if promised every racer 1m dollars, someone would complain about paying taxes. Some racers are there to race and have fun and some are just looking to to whine and complain. It's what makes the sport what it is. Just seems the sport is going away from racing/fun and more towards bitching/whining.

04-12-2010, 02:45 PM	#56
Floyd Gomez Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 275 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do Stockers need correct year seats? People mention the "spirit of the class" however that spirit has been molested beyond belief for over 20 years. I can't believe this is even an argument. Who cares so long as the seat retains its original mounting point and is same manufacturer. By the way if you want to keep the "spirit of the class" then modifying a bench seat certainly would be out as the "spirit of the class" calls for customizing limited to paint only. There are many rules that most current stockers bend beyond the point of acceptance and would make them illegal. So if you are going to complain about mine be prepared for me to make sure you suffer as much as I with your own. Always be careful what you wish for.

04-12-2010, 03:27 PM	#59
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Do Stockers need correct year seats? Floyd, I'm not complaining about anything. I don't know you, and have never seen your car. Obviously, having correct seats means a lot to many racers on this forum. Just because Stock has changed over the last 30 years (along with every since other racing class in existence) doesn't give you the right to make up rules as you go. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK Last edited by Evan Smith; 04-14-2010 at 05:39 AM.