Proposal for Old Cars in Stock

[Gary Parker]

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And the truth shall set you free. Mark Callanan, I see you are an H/SA racer. I ran 11.01 at No Problem in H/SA and you ran 11.10 or so at Lebanon Valley. I got a tenth or so on you. I will have to check with Nitro Joe for your fastest. You might be faster. I'm sorry this has gotten you so worked up. No harm was intended.

Jeff you seem to have forgotten the 10.88 you went on the free time trial against Jim
Schaechter. ( see 1320go and put in your car # 4022). And even if you car was light for the 10.51 @127 Thats a c/sa time. I think the car is beautiful and great in stock, just needs to be in the right class. Yes I run H , and I am very fast in the class, but it is with a TRUE H/SA car.

[Bruce Noland]

In two or three years nhra Stock will consist of two body styles with different paint schemes. All the older cars will eventually find their way to IHRA, where it is available, and to other smaller racing associations; which may turn out to be the best result for everyone concerned. We know that IHRA wants racers and is willing to place these cars in classes where they cannot take advantage of the older cars and their owners. But, nhra Stock will have lost it heart and soul. Some people applaud this great OEM participation and claim it's the best thing for Stock. I don't agree.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=Bruce Noland; All the older cars will eventually find their way to IHRA,

I doubt it.......Maybe the cars will migrate after they are sold but the existing owners will take up another hobby. Ive heard some NHRA racers say the wouldnt race IHRA if "Hell Froze Over" and yet they never tried it before because of the crate motored classes, tracks to far away yet they travel from the east coast to Pomona every year, and any excuse they can come up with. If you dislike NHRA so damn much because of the way you are treated why not give it a season and try it. You just might be pleasantly surprised. For a couple of things..... you dont need grade points to enter a national event, and you dont have to give them your entry months in advance and enter via computer. Its all attitude and ego's. Sure the money isnt as good now but what happens when all of the sportsman cars stop racing NHRA and race only IHRA and the car counts are up. Do you think the sponsors will remain with NHRA? Get with Mike Baker, management, tech crew (Danny Waters, Hank Blankenship) and develope a real stock and S/S commitiee with someone who will listen to your concerns and input instead of turning a deft ear. The AHFS is a joke......you ALL know it. 1000 ft dumping sucks for everyone and most of all the spectators. Its almost like S/G except its at the finish instead of the starting line. Ive heard so may who say they have a fix (cure) for the AHFS but say NHRA wont listen and dosent care. Isnt it time to move on and try something different? Isnt it time to sitck together to save what you all love and live for? Isnt it time to do something ecxcept come up with excuses on why you didnt race with IHRA and continue to be lead around like "Sheep"? It wouldnt happen over night but in a short time I can see it making a difference. Its way less expensive and less head aches than trying to start another racing association. Believe me....I looked into it a LOT about 2 years ago and its finacial suicide in this economy and dealing with the mind set of the die hard NHRA racers. My 2 1/2 cents.

[art leong]

Jeff I haven't looked at this post for a while. It's amazing what it has morphed into.
How Dare you go out and build a car that is in the NHRA rule book?
Didn't you realize there were other racers in the class you picked to run?
If you had gone a best of 12.0 would they have chimed in trying to get you to go faster?
A lot of the naysayers have been commenting about the uselessness of the SRAC in the past. They must have had an awakening.
You have done as much if not more for the sportsman racer than anyone out there.
Keep having fun.

[Jeff Teuton]

I ran those times in a test session before the Cajuns started. So What!! I ran the 10.88 in a no tech time trial, not qualifying, no weight. So What!! A couple years back I saw a B/SA run 9.98 @ 128 in a test session before the race. Last year I saw Roger Brogdon run 6.47 in Pro Stock testing. And many more. Now do you apologize for going fast? My name ain't Obama and I ain't apologizing for my car. I am proud of this car. The configuration I had when I ran is all anybody is guessing about. I ain't doing nothing different.

[442OLDS]

I wasn't there,but at the Indy Fall Classic,I understand that there was some timing issues and cars that had never gone in the 10 second zone had done so.

Nitro Joe does a great job on the Stats,but there are sometimes "issues" and other circumstances that prevent the runs from being 100% accurate.

Maybe Mr Teuton's car had a timing issue on the day of testing? Clock malfunctioned?
Might have been 9.50,but who knows?

LOL!

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Gary Parker

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And the truth shall set you free. Mark Callanan, I see you are an H/SA racer. I ran 11.01 at No Problem in H/SA and you ran 11.10 or so at Lebanon Valley. I got a tenth or so on you. I will have to check with Nitro Joe for your fastest. You might be faster. I'm sorry this has gotten you so worked up. No harm was intended.

Jeff you seem to have forgotten the 10.88 you went on the free time trial against Jim
Schaechter. ( see 1320go and put in your car # 4022). And even if you car was light for the 10.51 @127 Thats a c/sa time. I think the car is beautiful and great in stock, just needs to be in the right class. Yes I run H , and I am very fast in the class, but it is with a TRUE H/SA car.

Gary,
The car wasn't light. He told some racers at Belle Rose he would have to put another driver in the car if it was going to run in G because he was too heavy. I thought that was funny.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp.
How about the Viper with an automatic (or at least in SS). .

Yep sounds about right..it's allready a Circus,and then at the same time we can rid of all the current AA to H-I cars that dont really belong here anymore in a natural way...
Maybe we also should get the weight breaks down to 6.0 in Stock so there is room for progress with these new,and "new-old" cars..and SS..that should be scrapped,whats the idea to have Stockers outrunning SuperStockers?..(explain that to the fans)..

Well ..really maybe the time has come to scrapp Stock and move everything to SS?
I think that would probably be the best deal,then these new cars(and other "paper-deals") wouldn't have such a big advantage running big roller cams,good flowing heads,high single plane intakes and a big throttle body ,in reallity the factors would be much more inline with the rest of the competition if such a move happened! And not to forget,those new cars would be in the class they belong,but on the expense of alot of others!

[khelms]

Mr. Jeff. Im sorry that I had you propose the idea to legalize the very cool 68 Hemi cars for stock. There is no reason they shouldnt be, they have to add weight to get to AA just like my ZL-1, a L-88 vette, the Thunderbolt,ect. The parts are still availible and they are real cars. Start them at the factory 425hp and let "THE SYSTEM" work it out. I didnt mean for you to get into a Keyboard Sh##storm like this has become, but I know you will let this slide like mud off a crawfish...... I get to see every day how much Jeff does for ANY racer in need and have told him we need to give him a salary for all the time he spends talking to NHRA, IHRA, State and local Government (not just louisiana) on all the towing issues ect, ect...... Happy Easter to all!!!!

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

My name ain't Obama and I ain't apologizing for my car. I am proud of this car.

We are proud of you too Jeff, keep up the good ideas and good work!