Buybacks???? - Page 5

THE LEGEND · 10-26-2011, 07:13 PM

TW,
Thanks. I always said we race for Jackets hats and trophys because the money is spent before we get it.LOL
You are so right about not forgetting where we came from.
Chip

HR9121 · 10-26-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dcm933

I am as loyal now as I have ever been...and am committing to at least a full division 9 schedule in 12. I understand that monetary issues drive decisions in the main office, but when that bleeds down to the grandstands, it takes it to a different light. I am not upset with the amount of competition ((especially in Chip's department...ur still one of the greats!!!) I don't know...it just feels like it cheapens the feeling of grabbing that hardware in the winner's circle. I did come from an era of Trophies and big overblown glossy pictures on the wall...the purses and contingency offset the cost to go racing; and that's all that mattered. I was doing what I love to do with the people that I love doing it with. I probably am making mountains out of molehills, I know. It's just one of those issues that rubbed me the wrong way. I love my IHRA president, and my sanctioning body. And I know at crunchtime, tough calls have to be made. I just hope we don't forget where we started.

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and I probably should keep mine to myself sometimes and I can sympathize with with you about buybacks but these are different times now and I guess we have to adapt to them. I wasn't a fan of it but I used the reentry at MIR and it didn't feel so bad after I got myself back in the race. As long as they just use this at these particular events I don't believe it will be such a bad thing and when they get the car counts up maybe they will do away with them.

Ed Fernandez · 10-26-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and I probably should keep mine to myself sometimes and I can sympathize with with you about buybacks but these are different times now and I guess we have to adapt to them. I wasn't a fan of it but I used the reentry at MIR and it didn't feel so bad after I got myself back in the race. As long as they just use this at these particular events I don't believe it will be such a bad thing and when they get the car counts up maybe they will do away with them.

Do you really think that once the start using them that they'll just stop using them down the road?Like the tolls they say will stop once the bridge/road is paid for.

THE LEGEND · 10-27-2011, 06:32 AM

Ed is right. I bet you see them at some division races that only have 5 SS or 8 QR cars show up. We only have ourselves to blame. If we supported the races it would never come to this.
Chip

Lambertcars · 10-27-2011, 08:18 AM

In reply to low car count being the reason for buybacks or re-entries. I remember back in the 1980's my wife and I were going to Gainsville, Fla to a points race. After the car was loaded and we were ready to go we finally realized we didn't have enough money for gas and hotel expenses, let alone what we were going to eat. So we didn't make the trip. Did you ever stop to think the reason for low car counts may be the same reason that we exprienced on our planned Gainsville trip back in the day. No one likes drag racing any more than I do but sometimes you just have to use common sense when you look at your bank balance. My wife and I are leaving Friday going to Charlotte for the Goodguys and will be driving our 1977 AMC Gremlin. For three days stay in Charlotte the cost will be about a third or less of what it would be for a three day drag race event. I promise you we will have just as much fun.
Allen

THE LEGEND · 10-27-2011, 12:22 PM

Allen,
I agree we all have to stay home at times. My point is people fuss about NHRA so much but will drive 500 miles to go to a NHRA race vs an IHRA race. Makes no sense to me.

Another note a lot must have liked the BB at VMP and MIR. A lot took advantage of that option.
CHip

j gardiner · 10-27-2011, 12:42 PM

You guys are not looking at the big picture on these buy backs. You overlook the fact that not everybody is capable of winning these races. The guys who win alot and benefit from the higher purses are the ones who benefit. The problem is there are more people who don't win then there are that do. So what happens is the guys who don't win end up in reentry more often, so they are paying the extra money. They end up falling out after awhile. this is what happened in bracket racing. You can't have a race with just the people who can win, you need everybody, this is why buybacks are a bad thing imo

442OLDS · 10-27-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by j gardiner

You guys are not looking at the big picture on these buy backs. You overlook the fact that not everybody is capable of winning these races.

The main reason that I don't care for the buybacks is because after I beat someone,they end up beating me later in the race after I already beat them.That has happened to me more than once.

I don't understand what you mean about being capable of winning?

If its your day,ANYBODY can win.The only way that you can't win is if you are NOT there.

Greg Hill · 10-28-2011, 09:10 AM

I sent an e-mail to Scooter about the buyback or re-entry deal when it was announced. I don't think IHRA understands how offensive this is to most of the old school stock and super stock racers. It's bad enough to not have heads up runs in their tournament of champions race but buybacks are a no no. I truly think they would have come out better without the buyback deal in the form of more than enough race cars to make up the money. I raced a fair amount with IHRA this year, 5 points races and 1 National and can say I enjoyed it thoroughly, however I also think that IHRA doesn't have the tradition of stock and super stock being performance based classes that NHRA does. Because of that I feel they just view us as bracket racers that run in specific classes. One example of that was at Martin at the National event this year. They had a problem with the scales after a bad storm and instead of finding someone to come and fix them they decided to not have heads up runs in stock and super stock. I don' think this affected anyone but the decision was just an example of them not understanding that stock and super stock are a little different from just bracket racers.

THE LEGEND · 10-28-2011, 01:12 PM

I don't know how many remember Larry Ray that raced SS then moved to TS. He put it best when BB came out in Bracket Racing. He said" Best thing that ever happened for the racer. Where can you go and race twice and only tow to the track once"
Chip

10-26-2011, 07:13 PM	#41
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Buybacks???? TW, Thanks. I always said we race for Jackets hats and trophys because the money is spent before we get it.LOL You are so right about not forgetting where we came from. Chip

10-27-2011, 06:32 AM	#44
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Buybacks???? Ed is right. I bet you see them at some division races that only have 5 SS or 8 QR cars show up. We only have ourselves to blame. If we supported the races it would never come to this. Chip

10-27-2011, 08:18 AM	#45
Lambertcars Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Johns Island SC Posts: 114 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Buybacks???? In reply to low car count being the reason for buybacks or re-entries. I remember back in the 1980's my wife and I were going to Gainsville, Fla to a points race. After the car was loaded and we were ready to go we finally realized we didn't have enough money for gas and hotel expenses, let alone what we were going to eat. So we didn't make the trip. Did you ever stop to think the reason for low car counts may be the same reason that we exprienced on our planned Gainsville trip back in the day. No one likes drag racing any more than I do but sometimes you just have to use common sense when you look at your bank balance. My wife and I are leaving Friday going to Charlotte for the Goodguys and will be driving our 1977 AMC Gremlin. For three days stay in Charlotte the cost will be about a third or less of what it would be for a three day drag race event. I promise you we will have just as much fun. Allen

10-27-2011, 12:22 PM	#46
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Buybacks???? Allen, I agree we all have to stay home at times. My point is people fuss about NHRA so much but will drive 500 miles to go to a NHRA race vs an IHRA race. Makes no sense to me. Another note a lot must have liked the BB at VMP and MIR. A lot took advantage of that option. CHip

10-27-2011, 12:42 PM	#47
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 220 Likes: 14 Liked 53 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Buybacks???? You guys are not looking at the big picture on these buy backs. You overlook the fact that not everybody is capable of winning these races. The guys who win alot and benefit from the higher purses are the ones who benefit. The problem is there are more people who don't win then there are that do. So what happens is the guys who don't win end up in reentry more often, so they are paying the extra money. They end up falling out after awhile. this is what happened in bracket racing. You can't have a race with just the people who can win, you need everybody, this is why buybacks are a bad thing imo

10-28-2011, 09:10 AM	#49
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Buybacks???? I sent an e-mail to Scooter about the buyback or re-entry deal when it was announced. I don't think IHRA understands how offensive this is to most of the old school stock and super stock racers. It's bad enough to not have heads up runs in their tournament of champions race but buybacks are a no no. I truly think they would have come out better without the buyback deal in the form of more than enough race cars to make up the money. I raced a fair amount with IHRA this year, 5 points races and 1 National and can say I enjoyed it thoroughly, however I also think that IHRA doesn't have the tradition of stock and super stock being performance based classes that NHRA does. Because of that I feel they just view us as bracket racers that run in specific classes. One example of that was at Martin at the National event this year. They had a problem with the scales after a bad storm and instead of finding someone to come and fix them they decided to not have heads up runs in stock and super stock. I don' think this affected anyone but the decision was just an example of them not understanding that stock and super stock are a little different from just bracket racers. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

10-28-2011, 01:12 PM	#50
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Buybacks???? I don't know how many remember Larry Ray that raced SS then moved to TS. He put it best when BB came out in Bracket Racing. He said" Best thing that ever happened for the racer. Where can you go and race twice and only tow to the track once" Chip