Do Stockers need correct year seats?

[herbjr]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

It's OK if IHRA wants to let you race with a feather duster stuffed up your butt...

Leave NHRA STOCK alone because we knew the rules when we built the car....

If you don't think that putting every lightweight component that you can find forward of the rear wheels then you better take up another hobby....

Bob

Thats about the stupidest post I have ever read. A feather duster stuffed up your butt....what the hell does that mean.

My car is 450 lbs heavy on the rear wheels if I put a lighter seat in then its 475...I dont give a rats *** about more weight on the rear of the car.

Herb Jr

Oh yea we have 12K in a stocker that is only .5 under...The car made 37 runs in 3 days at Piedmont in November for the 20K race....Nobody has more fun racing than we do, that is why we do this and we do it as a family with my kids as well.

[herbjr]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

The Tech Dept enforcing correct seats may be why 1,093 Stock racers competed for points at NHRA in the 2009 season.

Already for 2010 there have been 323 Stock racers running and a lot of Divisions have not even started their seasons yet.

Enforcing seat rules must be working at NHRA. I plan on doing my part.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions and showing data for proving a point expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions and what else I said.)

Ok Travis now Ill ask you directly. We are going to put a 383 in this car for J/SA and SS/LA, can we run bucket seats in a station wagon?
Its a 1967 Dodge Coronet Wagon, 6 Passenger. I have a parts book I can send you a picture of the 67 seat that was available if you need me to.

[Todd Boyer]

Quote: A feather duster stuffed up your butt....

Thats about the stupidest post I have ever read.

I was wondering that myself Herb. LOL

[Jeff Lee]

So they insist on identifying the correct seat for the car but don't seem to care if the foam is 1/4 the thickness or half the springs are missing, or it has fixed CM tubing to hold the seat to the floor instead of a track.

I would think if the people that write the NHRA rulebook were REALLY concerned about the correct appearance it would state in the rule book "must be correct seats for make, model and year of vehicle that is claimed" It really would be that simple as they use this phrase many other times when deemed important.

In the current writing, it wouldn't last a second in court if somebody had 1967 Camaro Buckets in their 1970 Camaro (Stock class). The rules says very explicitly "must have full factory type upholstery.......and front and rear seats" (I skipped the part about carpet, door panels, etc). Doesn't say seats must be from make / model / year claimed.
If it's a concern, change the wording in the book.

This was the same issue a few years ago about radiators. Basically a 1967 Camaro could get away with a 2002 Camaro (lite-weight) radiator as it was "the same model". The rule was revised to spell out the radiator must be from the make / model / year claimed. It's that simple.

[Adger Smith]

What doe the NHRA TECHNICAL POLICIES & PROCEDURES
say about seats in the upholstery section?

Anyone have a copy and be willing to quote chapter and verse?

[herbjr]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

This was the same issue a few years ago about radiators. Basically a 1967 Camaro could get away with a 2002 Camaro (lite-weight) radiator as it was "the same model". The rule was revised to spell out the radiator must be from the make / model / year claimed. It's that simple.

I hope they dont check the radiator in my car, the OEM part number is right on it. Its out of a 1961 Chrysler Imperial 413 car, holds about 5 gallons of water, WHY, well the car never gets hot, it was free and in perfect shape.

[Evan Smith]

When the rulebook says "factory" or "like-factory" those words refer to what came on that particular car, or model of car. Therefore, you can not use every part from that same manufacturer which has be built in the last 100 or so years.

If you can't reach the shifter, build a mounting bracket for the shifter to move it closer to you. I've seen this in many bench-seat Stockers. Problem solved.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

Well if we are going to argue over correct year seats then we should also argue over changing actual year model of car to benefit using a different combo, using metric transmissions, fuel cells, 2 steps, hoods that were not available on a paticular model, shifters, wheel diameter and type, brakes, removable steering wheels, any alteration of the dash or interior including removing the factory radio and speakers, data recorders, aftermarket fuel injection systems, aftermarket computers, ignition systems, cam specs, head specs, rods, pistons, aftermarket rear ends, gear size and the list goes on and on. Yes the Monte came with buckets but I prefer the mid 80's style Camaro seats with the higher back. If we want one rule then we need them all. How about the car you race must have had the same engine and trans combo you run now. Not available with but actually came with. Again, I don't see any harm in changing seats from the same manufacturer so long as I am still legal in weight.

2009 Rulebook (newest one I have in print)
Page 14, How to use this rulebook, paragraph 3, "it is the general rule that unless optional performance equipment or performance-related modification is specifically permitted by this rulebook, it is prohibited".
Page 15, paragraph 2, "Unauthorized cars, parts, and/or equipment will not be considered approved by reason of having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times. Moreover, having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times, is not a defense to a violation found on further inspection".
Travis, I'm a little disappointed in you! I thought you would have quoted this from memory! (giggle)

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

What doe the NHRA TECHNICAL POLICIES & PROCEDURES
say about seats in the upholstery section?

Anyone have a copy and be willing to quote chapter and verse?

2009 rulebook (newest one I have )
Page 110, Interior:6, paragraph 2, Upholstery, Must have full factory-type upholstery, including factory-type floor mats or carpet, door panels and headliner, and front and rear seats".
It then goes into rear seat removal for roll bar.
Page 271, section 19, general regulations, interior:6:2, upholstery, seats, paragraph 2 "All seats must be upholstered, or as noted under Class or SFI requirements".
See my previous post.

[Floyd Gomez]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

2009 Rulebook (newest one I have in print)
Page 14, How to use this rulebook, paragraph 3, "it is the general rule that unless optional performance equipment or performance-related modification is specifically permitted by this rulebook, it is prohibited".
Page 15, paragraph 2, "Unauthorized cars, parts, and/or equipment will not be considered approved by reason of having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times. Moreover, having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times, is not a defense to a violation found on further inspection".
Travis, I'm a little disappointed in you! I thought you would have quoted this from memory! (giggle)

Billy, I am not wanting to run a performance or aftermarket seat. I just simply want to run a seat from the same manufacturer that was in a different model. It says factory type and that is exactly what it is.