Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! - Page 4

Adger Smith · 01-01-2010, 01:38 PM

I believe those props in Jeffs boat image rotate inward.
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...10_010110_S159

BlueOval Ralph · 01-01-2010, 01:56 PM

Only very late 406's as I remember never used in production (not even early 63 406's before Dec 1963 only for NASCAR.

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Originally Posted by tomslik

and they like to strip out the float bowls too.

406's had cross bolted mains but i don't know about the screw in plugs....

Larry Fulton · 01-01-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CycloneFE

anyone notice all of the BREATHERS

Why so many?

Rory McNeil · 01-01-2010, 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Dale Shannon;160284]Side oiler block has a galley casted in block down the (SIDE OF BLOCK)
Counter-rotate is only cam change and is PORT engine left from back of boat, was done mainly on Hi-po boats to help go straight-er,
I was under the impression that the Ford 427 Marine engines would have a crankshaft with the rear main seal grooves reversed, wouldn`t using such a crankshaft in the standard rotation be likely to have oil leaks in the rear main, due to the grooves pushing oil towards the seal, rather than flinging it away? Also, I would imagine the distributor would also be designed for reverse rotaion, not that anybody would use a marine dist in a car.
I also have to wonder if 40 years of having the block loaded in 1 direction would possibly cause strength concerns under "heavy" usage with the rotation switched? As for the side oiler vs top oiler, I believe that all the 300 HP 427 Ford marine engines were cast with the side oiler "bulge" down the drivers side of the block, but were left undrilled. I suppose a really good machinist may be able to drill the passages out, but due to the passage running the length of the block, & a "cut out" for motor mounts in that area, such an attempt is quite risky. Personally, I`ve be racing 428 FE`s for 30 years, and 390`s before that, which are of the top oiler design, and have never had any oil deivery related failures after a few modifications were made to the original oiling setup. Myself, I wouldn`t be too concerned about not having a side oiler block. The side oilers were mainly designed for NASCAR & endurance road racing, but for the typical drag or street type FE engine, not needed. There seems to be a bunch of mystical hype surrounding the side oiler 427`s, but it`s mainly by the semi uninformed, who "need" to have a "correct" side oiler block for their fiberglass kit car copy of a AC Cobra.

Bill Harris · 01-01-2010, 03:24 PM

If the engine rotated backwards, so would the distributor. The plug wiring in the pictures indicates that the distributor on that engine is rotating counter-clockwise, which is the same direction as a car engine, so it doesn't look like a reverse rotation to me.

Adger Smith · 01-01-2010, 03:40 PM

Bill,
The counter rotating engines I have worked on have the same dist rotation. The gear on the cam is ground different and it still turns the oil pump and dist the correct way.

Bill Harris · 01-01-2010, 03:48 PM

I stand corrected. I could see where a different cam and distributor gear could maintain the same rotation. I didn't think about the ramifications to the oil pump!

Pat Cook · 01-01-2010, 04:44 PM

I knew a garage that installed a marine starter on an old Ford dump truck with a FE engine and then the engine would not start, they worked on that truck for a long time until somebody notice the engine was turning the wrong direction when they were cranking it,,,,,,,,,,,

CaptCobrajet · 01-02-2010, 08:36 PM

Jeff, it looks like a Meduim Riser from the pic. Those are correct carbs for a Medium Riser. I have never seen a single-engine 427 that was reverse rotation. That was done to turn the props opposite directions in twin-engine boats. If the wet manifolds have HM on them, it is most likely a side-oiler. The "cast but not drilled" blocks were in bigger boats and were lower horsepower applications. The Holman Moody stuff were usually sideoilers by the late 60's. They also put the MR top end on 428's for some V-drive applications. My dad's G hull Rayson Craft came from Gardena with a 428 that had that top end on it. If it is a 428 there will be no crossbolts or side galley. I would be interested in the marine equipment if the buyer isn't using this for a boat. I still play with some of that stuff. My email is captcj@hughes.net.

Blair Patrick

n5ifi · 09-21-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

This is a complete 1967 Ford 427 / 425 HP side oiler. It's in a boat built in the mid 1960's. It's like a big fishing boat, not a drag or ski boat. The boat is falling apart due to rot. This is in a 1 acre storage yard I have listed for sale in Phoenix. I just got done taking down casting numbers and it's all 1967. It's supposed to be a Hollman - Moody built with a bigger marine cam. Who knows if that's true. The 83 year old owner knows what it is....
I believe I have it sold pending further tear down inspection.

Intake is C7AE-9425-A....can't find a "-A" online...what is that?
Heads are C6AE-F
Carbs are C5AF-9510-80...rear is List 3300 dated 751....front carb list is 3301 dated 752. Autolite tags are intact and mint on both carbs.
Ford DP distributor.
Cross-bolted block with screw-in freeze plugs.

What's the core value on this?

I had a simuliar experience in the late 80's. A chevy performance guy came to me one day and said he had an old 429 engine that a buddy had pulled out of an old pulpwood truck because it was breaking parts.
I went over to look at it and to my surprise it was medium riser 427. Crossbolted mains. Steel Crank, Cap Screw Rods, Screw in Freeze Plugs. Standard Bore. Never drilled for a hydraulic lifter cam.
I just about freaked. I told him what it had and he was totally dis-interested. It was a Ford. He said he wanted 250 bucks for it.
I gave it to him.

01-01-2010, 01:38 PM	#31
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! I believe those props in Jeffs boat image rotate inward. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...10_010110_S159 __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

01-01-2010, 03:18 PM	#34
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,105 Times in 303 Posts	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! [QUOTE=Dale Shannon;160284]Side oiler block has a galley casted in block down the (SIDE OF BLOCK) Counter-rotate is only cam change and is PORT engine left from back of boat, was done mainly on Hi-po boats to help go straight-er, I was under the impression that the Ford 427 Marine engines would have a crankshaft with the rear main seal grooves reversed, wouldn`t using such a crankshaft in the standard rotation be likely to have oil leaks in the rear main, due to the grooves pushing oil towards the seal, rather than flinging it away? Also, I would imagine the distributor would also be designed for reverse rotaion, not that anybody would use a marine dist in a car. I also have to wonder if 40 years of having the block loaded in 1 direction would possibly cause strength concerns under "heavy" usage with the rotation switched? As for the side oiler vs top oiler, I believe that all the 300 HP 427 Ford marine engines were cast with the side oiler "bulge" down the drivers side of the block, but were left undrilled. I suppose a really good machinist may be able to drill the passages out, but due to the passage running the length of the block, & a "cut out" for motor mounts in that area, such an attempt is quite risky. Personally, I`ve be racing 428 FE`s for 30 years, and 390`s before that, which are of the top oiler design, and have never had any oil deivery related failures after a few modifications were made to the original oiling setup. Myself, I wouldn`t be too concerned about not having a side oiler block. The side oilers were mainly designed for NASCAR & endurance road racing, but for the typical drag or street type FE engine, not needed. There seems to be a bunch of mystical hype surrounding the side oiler 427`s, but it`s mainly by the semi uninformed, who "need" to have a "correct" side oiler block for their fiberglass kit car copy of a AC Cobra. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

01-01-2010, 03:24 PM	#35
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! If the engine rotated backwards, so would the distributor. The plug wiring in the pictures indicates that the distributor on that engine is rotating counter-clockwise, which is the same direction as a car engine, so it doesn't look like a reverse rotation to me. __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

01-01-2010, 03:40 PM	#36
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! Bill, The counter rotating engines I have worked on have the same dist rotation. The gear on the cam is ground different and it still turns the oil pump and dist the correct way. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

01-01-2010, 03:48 PM	#37
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! I stand corrected. I could see where a different cam and distributor gear could maintain the same rotation. I didn't think about the ramifications to the oil pump! __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

01-01-2010, 04:44 PM	#38
Pat Cook Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 175 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! I knew a garage that installed a marine starter on an old Ford dump truck with a FE engine and then the engine would not start, they worked on that truck for a long time until somebody notice the engine was turning the wrong direction when they were cranking it,,,,,,,,,,, __________________ 67 Ford Fairlane F/SA 749

01-02-2010, 08:36 PM	#39
CaptCobrajet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marion County Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Check out my 427 Side Oiler barn find! Jeff, it looks like a Meduim Riser from the pic. Those are correct carbs for a Medium Riser. I have never seen a single-engine 427 that was reverse rotation. That was done to turn the props opposite directions in twin-engine boats. If the wet manifolds have HM on them, it is most likely a side-oiler. The "cast but not drilled" blocks were in bigger boats and were lower horsepower applications. The Holman Moody stuff were usually sideoilers by the late 60's. They also put the MR top end on 428's for some V-drive applications. My dad's G hull Rayson Craft came from Gardena with a 428 that had that top end on it. If it is a 428 there will be no crossbolts or side galley. I would be interested in the marine equipment if the buyer isn't using this for a boat. I still play with some of that stuff. My email is captcj@hughes.net. Blair Patrick