Car classification guide Gen5 and Gen6 Camaro

[Charles Stewart]

Actually you have in the guide for stock car classification, the 2011 to 2014 Ford Mustang coupe with a V6 and the 2015 with a 4 Cylinders turbo.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The FS/ classes were created because of all the crying....

Or maybe FS classes cause of the ridiculous soft/bogus HP factors "negotiated" by the manufactors. Not to mention the the fairy tale shipping weights.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

Or maybe FS classes cause of the ridiculous soft/bogus HP factors "negotiated" by the manufactors.

Since when was that a new thing? I'll use the 396/375 HP Camaros as my first example.

Not to mention the the fairy tale shipping weights.

This has been addressed over and over. First the zero option cars are nowhere near as heavy as YOU would like. Second, there had to be some kind of adjustment made due to all of the federally mandated parts that it is now legal to remove. Things that weren't even imagined in the sixties. You simply can't legally add enough ballast.

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by GTS340

Which department of today's manufactures actually submits the specs. The "manufacture" use to submit 4drs, stationwagons, trim coded cars, with every engine the manufacture had available. It appears now by NHRA books. The only vehicle Chrysler makes is a Challenger with a Hemi.

Paul H

As I remember it, the AMA (Automobile Manufacturers of America) required each make to submit detailed specifications of every car they built. The NHRA got that info from them and that's where the detailed engine specs, weight, etc. came from.

By this time in my life, I run into hazy memory at times but I seem to remember that when the imports gained a big chunk of production, the AMA ceased to exist - because of the "American" in their name now only produced only part of production instead of all of it. Then again, maybe they still exist and dropped the requirement for documentation.

I'm sure you remember it wasn't always that the manufacturers had to apply to the NHRA. Only when it was after the start of model year production (Cobra Jet, etc) and that year's book had already been received in Glendora.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Since when was that a new thing? I'll use the 396/375 HP Camaros as my first example..

Sure. Start with comparing that 572 Copo specs to the 396 375?

1st gen Camaro just went through a review of their shipping weights a couple years ago.

Not sure why newer cars Shipping weights can't be revised to a more realistic curb weight like they came.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JeremyDuncan

Sure. Start with comparing that 572 Copo specs to the 396 375?

1st gen Camaro just went through a review of their shipping weights a couple years ago.

Not sure why newer cars Shipping weights can't be revised to a more realistic curb weight like they came.

Dude, the 572 is the wrong choice. Pick something else...

[GTS340]

I would say you're spot on Dan. Now a days the performance part of the manufactures is the only input to NHRA and specs.

Paul

[Dyno]

For the newer cars of all makes and models, if you could start as a “Body in white”, or my reference to a flood car, this would be the close equivalent of an older Camaro, Mustang, Duster, Firebird etc. as the starting point of a new race car build. Off of this a honest shipping weight could be determined as to where the car should be classified. The mandated equipment on the newer cars adds hundreds of pounds of weight which can be removed and does nothing to add to the performance of the vehicle. This is what the manufacturer’s and NHRA need to do to keep this ball rolling and to allow racers to build the newer cars so people can more identify with something they themselves may have in the parking lot or in the garage at home.

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Dude, the 572 is the wrong choice. Pick something else...

Since you singled out the 396/375 Chevy, curious why he needs to "pick something else"?
Could it be that even a COPO racer believes that a 580 plus cubic inch engine, with almost 14.1 compression, .731" solid roller cam, 2.25" intake valves, with 340 cc intake runners, may be rated "a bit soft" for a 9.90 index at 3170 pounds?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Since you singled out the 396/375 Chevy, curious why he needs to "pick something else"?

Of all the factory cars the 572, as delivered, is the least competitive combination. I'm not saying that if I throw a bunch of money at it that it couldn't be made better. I really don't think that it will ever run like Jim B's 396 car.

When I first ordered it, I was told that it was going in the guide at 450 HP. That would have been much more competitive.

But, I didn't buy mine to dominate the qualifying sheets. I had the opportunity to get the first one built. That makes it the first Big Block COPO built since 1969 and I'm thinking the first Big Block Camaro since 1972. Even though it is serial number 004 it was built weeks before the 001 car. The chassis number is F001.