Hand Brake - Page 3

Bill Baer · 09-21-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by billy leber

Can you have two systems if both are foot operated ? I am building a dragster and definately will have two brake systems. I realize room for two pedels would be tight but just think how you could stop with two feet Mickey !

Billy if you were install two more calipers with and independent lines with a dual master cylinder then you would have some redundancy and only one brake pedal.

Duane Dagostino · 09-21-2011, 02:50 PM

These are all somewhat workable ideas,but the fact is that the hand brake/foot brake system is the proven one. If the NHRA feels the system is misused it's the driver not the system at fault.I was made to take the handle out of my car,the result is a less safe race car,I feel it's like having one side of my shoulder straps clicked.This is a bad rule no matter how you look at it....police the violaters,not the brake systems.

TOM KASCH · 09-21-2011, 04:38 PM

I had a hand brake on my car SS?STK for 34 yrs.
Maybe because I had only one leg NO one said anything about it.
Think I order it from J.C. Whitney in 1971 ..........
Just made it fit each car i ran, wasn't hard to do.
Can post a picture if you like.Tom

Maverick · 09-21-2011, 07:24 PM

Tom, as you still racing? Will you be at Columbus this weekend? I see you are from Toledo, and if you are there, look me up.

CBS · 09-21-2011, 11:47 PM

Unfortunately that plan hasn't worked well...and possibly negatively....I got a response today that it will be discussed again by the rules committee

Rock

Tom Joseph · 09-22-2011, 11:49 AM

Every Top Alky car has a button on the steering wheel with a pressure regulator also..for the brakes. The rule isn't that you only have one set of calipers just no hand brake which I think is dumb but so is the SG cage gusset rule when faster Comp cars don't have to have them. Ask a Alky guy how it works ,put it on and let em figure it out. If you have to take those off then they have to come off the alky cars to.

C and W Racing · 09-22-2011, 01:53 PM

If the reason that everyone wants a hand brake is to have a secondary braking system in case of failer with their primary braking system, and NHRA is thinking that it will be used for use at the top end, why can't the hand brake be tied into the chute? That way if the hand brake is used the chute will deploy. NHRA would then be able to look at the car and see if the primary brakes had failed. It looks to me that if the whole argument is about saftey, then no one should have a problem with their chute deploying. If someone doesn't want it tied into the chute, my question would be why.
Chuck

TOM KASCH · 09-22-2011, 02:14 PM

Meverick , No we had to quit after 03 , race in 1960 to 63 ,then from 1972 to 2003 with one leg.
here is the picture of my hand control on our 79 Road runner SS/Na car

Maverick · 09-23-2011, 06:00 PM

Well, Tom I glad you got to race when you did, and I am at Columbus. I think the chute to the hand brake sounds ok to me, but I am sure it won't happen. I did watch Super Gas at Columbus for the completion of the Divisional race. And it is pretty obvious that the faster car is on the brakes hard when they can't catch a slower car. And the hi MPH cars would be pulling on the slower cars like crazy till the end and the MPH would only be a few MPH higher than the slower car. If two high MPH cars run, it looks like they are just trying to run the number and it is all out at the end, with high MPH. I definetly think and believe that the high MPH cars have the advantage, and I definitely enjoyed watching the Super Stockers more, going 9 seconds and all out. But the Super Gassers where good to watch, but a few of them got bit by the track not being able to handle the power when they come off the stop. I know what my plan is and hope to stick with it, for Sunday. Of course you can guess I am not a high MPH car. Let them have the brake, if they feel safer that is fine.

09-21-2011, 02:50 PM	#22
Duane Dagostino Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fl. Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hand Brake These are all somewhat workable ideas,but the fact is that the hand brake/foot brake system is the proven one. If the NHRA feels the system is misused it's the driver not the system at fault.I was made to take the handle out of my car,the result is a less safe race car,I feel it's like having one side of my shoulder straps clicked.This is a bad rule no matter how you look at it....police the violaters,not the brake systems. __________________ Duane Dagostino 1821 S/C, S/G

09-21-2011, 04:38 PM	#23
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Hand Brake I had a hand brake on my car SS?STK for 34 yrs. Maybe because I had only one leg NO one said anything about it. Think I order it from J.C. Whitney in 1971 .......... Just made it fit each car i ran, wasn't hard to do. Can post a picture if you like.Tom

09-21-2011, 07:24 PM	#24
Maverick Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 299 Likes: 3 Liked 36 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Hand Brake Tom, as you still racing? Will you be at Columbus this weekend? I see you are from Toledo, and if you are there, look me up.

09-21-2011, 11:47 PM	#25
CBS VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Commerce, Mi Posts: 1,387 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Hand Brake Unfortunately that plan hasn't worked well...and possibly negatively....I got a response today that it will be discussed again by the rules committee Rock

09-22-2011, 11:49 AM	#26
Tom Joseph Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 97 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hand Brake Every Top Alky car has a button on the steering wheel with a pressure regulator also..for the brakes. The rule isn't that you only have one set of calipers just no hand brake which I think is dumb but so is the SG cage gusset rule when faster Comp cars don't have to have them. Ask a Alky guy how it works ,put it on and let em figure it out. If you have to take those off then they have to come off the alky cars to.

09-22-2011, 01:53 PM	#27
C and W Racing Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 557 Likes: 6 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Hand Brake If the reason that everyone wants a hand brake is to have a secondary braking system in case of failer with their primary braking system, and NHRA is thinking that it will be used for use at the top end, why can't the hand brake be tied into the chute? That way if the hand brake is used the chute will deploy. NHRA would then be able to look at the car and see if the primary brakes had failed. It looks to me that if the whole argument is about saftey, then no one should have a problem with their chute deploying. If someone doesn't want it tied into the chute, my question would be why. Chuck

09-22-2011, 02:14 PM	#28
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Hand Brake Meverick , No we had to quit after 03 , race in 1960 to 63 ,then from 1972 to 2003 with one leg. here is the picture of my hand control on our 79 Road runner SS/Na car Attached Thumbnails

09-23-2011, 06:00 PM	#29
Maverick Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 299 Likes: 3 Liked 36 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Hand Brake Well, Tom I glad you got to race when you did, and I am at Columbus. I think the chute to the hand brake sounds ok to me, but I am sure it won't happen. I did watch Super Gas at Columbus for the completion of the Divisional race. And it is pretty obvious that the faster car is on the brakes hard when they can't catch a slower car. And the hi MPH cars would be pulling on the slower cars like crazy till the end and the MPH would only be a few MPH higher than the slower car. If two high MPH cars run, it looks like they are just trying to run the number and it is all out at the end, with high MPH. I definetly think and believe that the high MPH cars have the advantage, and I definitely enjoyed watching the Super Stockers more, going 9 seconds and all out. But the Super Gassers where good to watch, but a few of them got bit by the track not being able to handle the power when they come off the stop. I know what my plan is and hope to stick with it, for Sunday. Of course you can guess I am not a high MPH car. Let them have the brake, if they feel safer that is fine.