New Eliminator proposition

[ss wannabee]

Does Dick Butler know about this?

[Ven302]

Originally Posted by alan roehrich

make it really easy. Make all the cars weigh 3200# plus 170# for the driver. I'd skip the "two types of cars" to keep it simple. Everyone gets one (4150 series) carburetor and 14"x32" tires. Five single carburetor classes, five indexes. Easier to factor and police.

A: 470 cubic inches maximum (440 minimum), canted valves, with a 1050 carburetor.

B: 420 cubic inches maximum (390 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with an 950 carburetor.

C: 360 cubic inches maximum (350 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with a 850 carburetor.

D: 305 cubic inches maximum (285 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with a 750 carburetor.

E: 300 cubic inch v6 (minimum 270), inline true wedge, 750 carburetor.

Cast iron oe supplied block, any oe supplied cylinder head, cast intake, steel connecting rods.

Nhra approved carburetors.

Clutchless transmission, maximum 5 forward speeds, 14"x32" tire, back half, fiberglass hood only, factory glass. For automatics, 150# weight break.

Pump for displacement, anything suspect comes apart. Any compression ratio, any valvetrain, any porting or polishing allowed.

double like!!

[SStockDart]

Wow.....lots of good posts. Don Kennedy, I agree, stock and superstock is not broken, except for the "no horsepower" for new cars. Very simply, if NHRA is ever going to allow a new eliminator, it absolutely has to be simple to administer........Newest categories, Top Dragster, Top Sportsman.......vertually no time necessary for NHRA to regulate. Safety check the cars.....top 16 or 32 qualify....must run within ? of qualification time.
I feel strongly about 2 categories of Modified Production.....first category (double AA, BB, etc), multiple carbs (no boosters).......14 inch tire. Second category, (single A, B, etc)....single carb, 9 inch tire...Where I seem to have a difference with some posts is the size of the carb changing with the class......I believe one size carb for the single carb cars....my preference is a 600 CFM....If you want to run A/MP with 500 inches, make it run with 600 CFM....(no real opponent of a 750 carb as long as it is 750 for all single carb cars)... We don't want to make it easy for competitors to run fast, they will have to work hard on the combinations......but we have to make it easy for NHRA tech to administer.

It goes like this.....OK, you want to run single carb Modified Production......easy to make horsepower (relatively speaking) with a 300 cube engine and 600 CFM carb......you want to run A/MP, much harder to make horsepower with a 600 CFM......Your choice.....\

Absolutely needs to run like Comp with CIC......resent the CIC periodically, and start from scratch.

EFI and turbos could be added later, depending of the success of Modified Production. But needs to be easy for NHRA.

Realistic, A tear down for a stocker.....cam lift, bore, stroke, carb measurements, wheel base, overhang, pull a piston with rod for weight and compliance, intake compliance, etc..... this 2 category Modified Production.....pump the engine, fuel check, measure carb, and 5 seconds to check tire size.

Good Luck

[david ring]

How are the proposed classes not like the super mod classes in comp? And any time it comes down to no break out and weight to cubic inches, it is going to get very expensive very fast.

[rognelson777]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Make it really easy. Make all the cars weigh 3200# plus 170# for the driver. I'd skip the "two types of cars" to keep it simple. Everyone gets one (4150 series) carburetor and 14"x32" tires. Five single carburetor classes, five indexes. Easier to factor and police.

A: 470 cubic inches maximum (440 minimum), canted valves, with a 1050 carburetor.

B: 420 cubic inches maximum (390 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with an 950 carburetor.

C: 360 cubic inches maximum (350 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with a 850 carburetor.

D: 305 cubic inches maximum (285 minimum), inline valve true wedge, with a 750 carburetor.

E: 300 cubic inch V6 (minimum 270), inline true wedge, 750 carburetor.

Cast iron OE supplied block, any OE supplied cylinder head, cast intake, steel connecting rods.

NHRA approved carburetors.

Clutchless transmission, maximum 5 forward speeds, 14"x32" tire, back half, fiberglass hood only, factory glass. For automatics, 150# weight break.

Pump for displacement, anything suspect comes apart. Any compression ratio, any valvetrain, any porting or polishing allowed.

Here is a outlaw heads up class that uses the rules below It is called ultra street, yes they do run against power adder classes, some 1/8th mile some 1/4 mile

N/A WEIGHTS:
N/A Inline head – 2650
N/A Non-Inline head – 2750
N/A Buick/Olds/Pontiac - 2975
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with tall deck height and conventional head) 3050 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard height and big chief head) 3075 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block with tall deck height and big chief head) 3100 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block GM with Symmetrical port/non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with Pro Stock/Symmetrical type cylinder heads) 3225 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs

GENERAL:
- No Billet cylinder heads/blocks

This past weekend in Memphis $2,500 win, $150 entry

[Dick Butler]

Tony, Probably people would be interested in how many cars show for the Coyote class.

[Tony Corley]

Originally Posted by rognelson777

Here is a outlaw heads up class that uses the rules below It is called ultra street, yes they do run against power adder classes, some 1/8th mile some 1/4 mile

N/A WEIGHTS:
N/A Inline head – 2650
N/A Non-Inline head – 2750
N/A Buick/Olds/Pontiac - 2975
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and conventional head) 3000 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with tall deck height and conventional head) 3050 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block with 9.8 standard height and big chief head) 3075 lbs. (add 2.5 lbs per cu in over 589)
N/A (big block with tall deck height and big chief head) 3100 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with standard deck height and non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block GM with Symmetrical port/non conventional head) 3125 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs.
N/A (big block Ford with Pro Stock/Symmetrical type cylinder heads) 3225 lbs. over 589 add 100 lbs

GENERAL:
- No Billet cylinder heads/blocks

This past weekend in Memphis $2,500 win, $150 entry

Ultra Street is a cool class, I have friends running it. But it is not a cheap class, even though it is somewhat limited.
I have 2 good friends that are brothers that were both in the finals of each of their respective heads up classes in Memphis this weekend. (Chris and Brian Tuten) Of course rain ended it and money was split, but they were both in good shape to win.