National Records

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Hey THANKS guys ! Ya'll have provided a lot of great info.

I'm real surprised at the info in this post. I just assumed that the winner of every national and divisional would be torn down. Does that mean that only record setting cars are even checked at divisional races ? Does that mean that some of the cars could be running too many cubes and it would never even be checked ?

If this is the case, do ya'll think it's because of the bracket racing nature of class racing now ? Or maybe because the payouts are so low ? Or maybe a combination of things ?

The only negative I can see about somebody running an illegal engine is in the case of a same class, heads up run. In that case it wouldn't seem fair to the other guy IF he is running legal.

Having been around some dirt racing, I know how some guys will fudge all they can get by with.

So, nowadays, is it just assumed that most everybody who runs just the divisional races are fudging a little and most don't really care that much ?

Hey, I'm just trying to learn all I can about how things operate in class racing today. And I can't think of a better way to learn than to ask those who do it. So, thanks again guys for sharing all this info !

Oldskool

Thanks for your interest in our type of racing.
Its very few and far between that a racer gets torn down and something is found to be illegal. if something is found its usually something very minor and would not have helped the car to be faster.
The vast majority of stock and super stock racers have very high ethics and do not intentionally cheat. That is the meaning of "Class Racers" they have class. There are grey areas in the rules that the go fast guys will exploit. This is a widely accepted practice and this is usually where the rule changes get started from. Most of the stock and super stock racers are very protective of their reputation and would not risk that by intentionally cheating. I have never heard of a tear down in recent history where someone was running the wrong size or was claiming the completely wrong engine
Stock and super stock racers accept that there are rules in our classes and try to run as fast as possible within the confines of those rules. That is one of the attraction for the guys/girls that compete in our world.

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Here's another dummy question. And the only reason I'm asking is because I don't know the answer and would like to.

I see that at most big races there are cars running under the national record for their class. So my question is: why do they choose not to run for the record ?

I could only think of two possible reasons. Either they don't want to go thru an additional teardown. Or they don't want to call any extra attention to their combo, which might result in a hp refactor.

So can some of you guys clear this up for me ?

Also, I've noticed that some cars are going about 2 sec quicker than the same combo did back in the 70's. Is there any way to look up what the record was for a particular class, say in 1975, and what car held that record ? Or how about a list of when that record was reset, and by what car ? Or is this kind of info just too detailed to keep up with and have available online ?

Old school you get nothing for going as fast as possible but HP .Zero reward,
Very insulting to imply fast people don't show off because the motors not legit l!
Records are too much work for NO REWARD.Now show up in the other lane And I will show you how fast I can go!

[Larry Hill]

I've set records, had to tear down and we were legal. It's not for everyone but its a great feeling to take the record away from someone. Its a sad day when someone beats your record, but its also a day of earned respect to the racer who bested my performance.


For me its worth all the effort !

[Carguy49]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I've set records, had to tear down and we were legal. It's not for everyone but its a great feeling to take the record away from someone. Its a sad day when someone beats your record, but its also a day of earned respect to the racer who bested my performance.


For me its worth all the effort !

Very good point Larry. I have talked with some of the record setting racers here in Div. 6 and they said the same thing. It is the self satisfaction of making your combo fast. Being number 1 in qualifying is pretty cool, also.


Hey Larry, when will we see the truck back out?? I love the truck.

[GTX JOHN]

The Div. 7 director has a policy of no teardowns by protest in
our division.

[Joe Schaechter]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I've set records, had to tear down and we were legal. It's not for everyone but its a great feeling to take the record away from someone. Its a sad day when someone beats your record, but its also a day of earned respect to the racer who bested my performance.


For me its worth all the effort !

We've set records multiple times through the years and the have never worried about the cost of the gaskets! In 2014 Jim and I both set records at the Joliet Division 3 race. I was in our Chevy II in F/S and Jim drove Bob and Cherie Gipson's Corvette in A/S. We tore down both cars and had to borrow tools back and forth to get it done! Would I do it again? You bet!