Old vs New during rounds

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

How many old cars have been out run in a heads up run for a money winning round by a new car, in lets say the last 5 years?? Stock or super stock.

Here's just one I remembered off the top of my head, 4th round at a national

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...t=24721&page=2

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
1013 David Ficacci 350 Doug Duell
E4 0.053 10.091 129.08 ****WINNER**** 0.105 9.878 125.95
A/SA Dial: 11.00 (+/-): -0.909 A/SA Dial: 11.00 (+/-): -1.122
Prior rounds:
E3 (D Rampy ) 0.059 10.980 0.900 (R Skipper Jr) 0.012 9.993 0.043
E2 (R Shaw ) 0.059 9.972 -1.028 (L Williams ) 0.072 9.957 0.047
E1 (O Birkett ) 0.038 10.200 0.030 (C Marshall ) 0.025 10.036 0.046
Qualified: #25 10.069 -0.931 #9 9.995 -1.005
Doug Duell's MOV: 0.1615 seconds (approximately 31 feet).

[Ed Wright]

9.87 @ 125.96?? Really hung it out, didn't he? LOL

[Joseph Teuton]

Maybe his front air damn caught the beems early.....

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

9.87 @ 125.96?? Really hung it out, didn't he? LOL

You do know that combination can't even run A/SA any more? That run is from 2010!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by GUMP

You do know that combination can't even run A/SA any more? That run is from 2010!

The man asked about a new car beating an old car, heads up, in the past 5 years.

Doug beat Dave that year, and John Shaul. Not bad for the first year for the car, taking out two very fast and well developed cars, owned and campaigned by the same guys for years.

And a 9.87 @ 125MPH means the car was probably capable of a mid 9.60 pass, at least.

Every year, another batch of real soft factored combinations gets added. Many of them are nothing but paper, no car with that engine is ever actually produced, they just pick parts out of a catalog, assign a bogus soft factor, and NHRA puts it in the guide.

And yet, there was a time when 50 of that car, with that engine, had to be produced and sold. Now, you don't even have to bolt an engine together, you can just write the blueprint specs on paper and send them in.

Oh, I like Doug, a lot, super nice guy, we've pitted next to each other 3-4 times. Nice car, too.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The man asked about a new car beating an old car, heads up, in the past 5 years.

I was pointing out that the AHFS had moved it along. The same will happen to each of these combinations as long as so few are being run.

[RJ Sledge]

The original post should have read, "Name the number of times since 2009 that a old car beat a new car in Class/Eliminator, unless it was a throw away run by the New car"

I lost the Class final in E/SA @ Indy in 2013 to a new car. I went .988 under the index and the winner went 1.15 under backing in to me.

I also had the same car and driver 1st round of Stock Eliminator at the same race. ......Can you say " Have a nice day".

How many of the New car owners and drivers had old cars that were capable(fast and legal) of winning Class at Indy?

I own and race a 67 Fairlane and a 2010 Mustang 352 CJ , both can run D/SA.......guess which one if faster??

RJ


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[Joseph Teuton]

Mr. RJ sir, thanks for your input and I understand where your coming from. I wasnt including Class wins because they are a different animal and usually they dont mean anything these days. I love class racing which is why I do have a new car. But when it comes time for eliminations the chance for a heads up is that common. Sir, how many different classes do both your cars fit in?

I wish NHRA would come up with some type of heads up racing for a STK or SS car like prostock. I even believe we asked for some sort of heads up racing but were denied by NHRA. So we play were we can play.

I know some of us say that "advance" isnt the correct word but if techonolgy doesnt ADVANCE then how does the world grow? I guess we should all be using computers, phones, cars, and whatever else you can think of that has come from the 70's. I mean if in 44 years things havent advanced then how is the world like it is?? Hp factors as well as enging builders have had to change due to the changing times. Come on guys you cant really believe that a car built in the 70's, 80"s, or even the 90's should compete with cars built of today.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I wish NHRA would come up with some type of heads up racing for a STK or SS car like prostock. I even believe we asked for some sort of heads up racing but were denied by NHRA.

In my opinion, that *should* be Pro Stock today. To see the factory race cars unleashed would be an incredible and engaging show. I'd like to feature something like this at an event, but have been waiting for NHRA to square things up. The Factory Stock concept is there, but seems to be all over the map right now. We'll try to do some research and attempt to have a plan in place for next year by the end of summer so people have time to plan for 2015.

[sammy pizzolato]

Joey it would be an honor to drive one of your chrysler cars.and i would park my bowtie today. just saying!!!!!