Old vs New during rounds

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by GUMP

You do know that combination can't even run A/SA any more? That run is from 2010!

The man asked about a new car beating an old car, heads up, in the past 5 years.

Doug beat Dave that year, and John Shaul. Not bad for the first year for the car, taking out two very fast and well developed cars, owned and campaigned by the same guys for years.

And a 9.87 @ 125MPH means the car was probably capable of a mid 9.60 pass, at least.

Every year, another batch of real soft factored combinations gets added. Many of them are nothing but paper, no car with that engine is ever actually produced, they just pick parts out of a catalog, assign a bogus soft factor, and NHRA puts it in the guide.

And yet, there was a time when 50 of that car, with that engine, had to be produced and sold. Now, you don't even have to bolt an engine together, you can just write the blueprint specs on paper and send them in.

Oh, I like Doug, a lot, super nice guy, we've pitted next to each other 3-4 times. Nice car, too.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The man asked about a new car beating an old car, heads up, in the past 5 years.

I was pointing out that the AHFS had moved it along. The same will happen to each of these combinations as long as so few are being run.

[sammy pizzolato]

i have one for you Joseph.last year at the houston nats old vs new Sammy vs Pb Candies sammy RT -005 ET10.151@130.10 Pb RT +.170 ET 10.048 @108.15 and past me early and half throttled it just enough to stay in front i guess he did not see the red light.he quilified at a 9.87 on the brakes. Joey NHRA had it fixed when they had a class for the Fuelinfected cars that was the answer.

[PB Candies]

Originally Posted by sammy pizzolato

i have one for you Joseph.last year at the houston nats old vs new Sammy vs Pb Candies sammy RT -005 ET10.151@130.10 Pb RT +.170 ET 10.048 @108.15 and past me early and half throttled it just enough to stay in front i guess he did not see the red light.he quilified at a 9.87 on the brakes. Joey NHRA had it fixed when they had a class for the Fuelinfected cars that was the answer.

Sammy, tell the whole story. You could not run your car on kill cause you had broken your whellie bars the round before and Yes I would still have beaten you but it would have been a better race. I watched your red light then left and put a fender on you. Do not blame us blame OEM & NHRA. We all play by NHRA rules.

[MFR440]

Cobra Jets > COPOs > Drag Paks > 90's FI > Carbureted Dinosaurs.

If I were betting on class eliminations at Indy, I could win a TON of money using this formula. There are a few exceptions, like David Barton, and occasionally a Teuton, but for the vast majority this holds true. It makes Class Eliminations very predictable and BORING.

1st round Class Eliminations last year, '09-up cars won every race against an older car, except 3 redlights and a 1 holeshot.

90's model FI cars won 12/16 against carbureted cars, not counting broken cars or redlights.

I liked the idea of the Factory Supercar Class at Indy, but it was all too predictable as well (see the formula above). BORING!