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denbreeden · 06-19-2012, 08:41 AM

I can't imagine any of the V-8 Drag Paks wasting their time, not even David Barton. Too bad, it would be a great way to race but no one has a chance with a V-8 DP. 3,000 lbs ready to race? Maybe if Barton loses 200 lbs which I don't think would leave him with much, lol. Oh well, I'll still watch the supercharged cars battle it out.

Dennis Breeden

Bruce Noland · 06-19-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by denbreeden

I can't imagine any of the V-8 Drag Paks wasting their time, not even David Barton. Too bad, it would be a great way to race but no one has a chance with a V-8 DP. 3,000 lbs ready to race? Maybe if Barton loses 200 lbs which I don't think would leave him with much, lol. Oh well, I'll still watch the supercharged cars battle it out.

Dennis Breeden

Hmmmm.

cambria · 06-19-2012, 10:00 AM

wish they would start delivering these COPOs.Jeff save some of that beer.

NewHemi · 06-19-2012, 10:35 AM

It will be a two horse race at best, if Copos can get there in time.

Maybe when they do start running, and they start kicking the Fords butts, the NHRA will have to change some rules, and find another way to keep Ford on top.

But as long as Mopars are naturally asipirated, and the COPOS and FORDS are supercharged, it would be hard to think that the Mopars could be competetitive.

40 years ago, Mopars dominated and were "legislated" out. Now, by allowing blowers in Stock, but not allowing them on Mopars, the NHRA is essentially doing it all over again.

Oh well.... Y'all have fun out there....

David
The New Hemi Guy

DonatoEng · 06-19-2012, 11:58 AM

Ron, you could run a 5sp with that V10.
Mr. Jeff keep that beer cold, I'll be there to watch this show.

Ed Wright · 06-19-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by D. Johns:
[QUOTE] First I'll start off by saying this is fantastic! Heads up 1/4 mile! I loved it when the ADRL with its supercar showdown gave a stage for the new factory Drag cars to flex their muscle in competition for king of the strip. Its just I'm more of a "drag racing is 1320" person.

2nd I would like to see this happen at more events. Although Indy is my home track I'd still like to see it branch out and even go divisional.

3rd I think some of you don't realize weather/elevation really affects the blower cars also. It's not like a turbo car that will simply spin the turbine faster or slower until it reaches the desired boost level dictated by the waste gate. Now if we could change pulleys based on weather/altitude change........... The positive displacement blower draws in a fixed amount of air per engine revoulution and is very sensitive to inlet restriction and air quality. It can only compress the air that it draws in. Less air in means less air that can be compressed. A supercharged car can lose easily 40+HP(low ball figure) because of IATs telling the computer to yank timing over a certain temp at any point of a run. We have our own issues on this side of the fence also. It's not all just sunshine and lollipops. [QUOTE]

That IAT pulling timing is only as much as your tuner wants it to be. It's a table that could be zeroed out if desired. From the factory they are always more aggressive pulling more timing than needed for race fuel.
Blown cars are effected by weather, but less than NA engines.

Andrew Hill · 06-19-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by D.Johns

First I'll start off by saying this is fantastic! Heads up 1/4 mile! I loved it when the ADRL with its supercar showdown gave a stage for the new factory Drag cars to flex their muscle in competition for king of the strip. Its just I'm more of a "drag racing is 1320" person.

2nd I would like to see this happen at more events. Although Indy is my home track I'd still like to see it branch out and even go divisional.

3rd I think some of you don't realize weather/elevation really affects the blower cars also. It's not like a turbo car that will simply spin the turbine faster or slower until it reaches the desired boost level dictated by the waste gate. Now if we could change pulleys based on weather/altitude change........... The positive displacement blower draws in a fixed amount of air per engine revoulution and is very sensitive to inlet restriction and air quality. It can only compress the air that it draws in. Less air in means less air that can be compressed. A supercharged car can lose easily 40+HP(low ball figure) because of IATs telling the computer to yank timing over a certain temp at any point of a run. We have our own issues on this side of the fence also. It's not all just sunshine and lollipops.

So in conclusion. I'm excited about the heads up aspect of it and would like to see more of the heads up action take place in the future. See everyone in Indy.

Seeing as the blower cars went as quick as 5.82 at 119 mph at 3550 lbs in Bristol, I think it's obvious they are not affected nearly as much as N/A cars are by weather/elevation.

Bret Kepner · 06-19-2012, 02:41 PM

Actually, the supercharged cars were running at 3600 pounds at Bristol. The weights revised after Houston to the following:

Effective on April 11, 2012, the new weight restrictions are:

3150 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated V8 engine under 400 cubic inches
(Change: 100 pounds removed)
3250 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated V8 engine over 399 cubic inches
(Change: New classification)
3350 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated engine with more than eight cylinders
(Change: 50 pounds removed)
3600 lbs: All vehicles using a supercharged or turbocharged engine
(Change: 50 pounds added)

Andys dad · 06-19-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DonatoEng

Ron, you could run a 5sp with that V10.
Mr. Jeff keep that beer cold, I'll be there to watch this show.

If I could afford a 5 speed manual conversion - I would use the money to get there with my 2 speed

We would not be uncompetetive but I guess the age old money issue will keep us from finding out just how competivite our V10 would be

We have a few tricks up our sleeve which we will not unveil until Somona - after the HP hit in July

Ron

Richard Muhlenhardt · 06-19-2012, 06:16 PM

If this is just a special eliminator for Indy with adjusted cars from select classes why do they need an index -its flat out- and how can cars get light and then correct weight for full stock eliminator without major rule bending or seperate rules for the special eliminator

06-19-2012, 08:41 AM	#11
denbreeden Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Plainville, IN Posts: 501 Likes: 147 Liked 61 Times in 26 Posts	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown I can't imagine any of the V-8 Drag Paks wasting their time, not even David Barton. Too bad, it would be a great way to race but no one has a chance with a V-8 DP. 3,000 lbs ready to race? Maybe if Barton loses 200 lbs which I don't think would leave him with much, lol. Oh well, I'll still watch the supercharged cars battle it out. Dennis Breeden

06-19-2012, 10:00 AM	#13
cambria Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Buffalo Posts: 235 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown wish they would start delivering these COPOs.Jeff save some of that beer. __________________ BS/A,A/FIA 00 Camaro- CS/A, B/FIA 94 Camaro .2012 copo 4.0

06-19-2012, 10:35 AM	#14
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown It will be a two horse race at best, if Copos can get there in time. Maybe when they do start running, and they start kicking the Fords butts, the NHRA will have to change some rules, and find another way to keep Ford on top. But as long as Mopars are naturally asipirated, and the COPOS and FORDS are supercharged, it would be hard to think that the Mopars could be competetitive. 40 years ago, Mopars dominated and were "legislated" out. Now, by allowing blowers in Stock, but not allowing them on Mopars, the NHRA is essentially doing it all over again. Oh well.... Y'all have fun out there.... David The New Hemi Guy

06-19-2012, 11:58 AM	#15
DonatoEng Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milford, MI Posts: 147 Likes: 12 Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown Ron, you could run a 5sp with that V10. Mr. Jeff keep that beer cold, I'll be there to watch this show.

06-19-2012, 01:26 PM	#16
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown Originally posted by D. Johns: [QUOTE] First I'll start off by saying this is fantastic! Heads up 1/4 mile! I loved it when the ADRL with its supercar showdown gave a stage for the new factory Drag cars to flex their muscle in competition for king of the strip. Its just I'm more of a "drag racing is 1320" person. 2nd I would like to see this happen at more events. Although Indy is my home track I'd still like to see it branch out and even go divisional. 3rd I think some of you don't realize weather/elevation really affects the blower cars also. It's not like a turbo car that will simply spin the turbine faster or slower until it reaches the desired boost level dictated by the waste gate. Now if we could change pulleys based on weather/altitude change........... The positive displacement blower draws in a fixed amount of air per engine revoulution and is very sensitive to inlet restriction and air quality. It can only compress the air that it draws in. Less air in means less air that can be compressed. A supercharged car can lose easily 40+HP(low ball figure) because of IATs telling the computer to yank timing over a certain temp at any point of a run. We have our own issues on this side of the fence also. It's not all just sunshine and lollipops. [QUOTE] That IAT pulling timing is only as much as your tuner wants it to be. It's a table that could be zeroed out if desired. From the factory they are always more aggressive pulling more timing than needed for race fuel. Blown cars are effected by weather, but less than NA engines. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 06-19-2012 at 02:16 PM.

06-19-2012, 02:41 PM	#18
Bret Kepner Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri, USA Posts: 418 Likes: 1 Liked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown Actually, the supercharged cars were running at 3600 pounds at Bristol. The weights revised after Houston to the following: Effective on April 11, 2012, the new weight restrictions are: 3150 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated V8 engine under 400 cubic inches (Change: 100 pounds removed) 3250 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated V8 engine over 399 cubic inches (Change: New classification) 3350 lbs: All vehicles using a naturally-aspirated engine with more than eight cylinders (Change: 50 pounds removed) 3600 lbs: All vehicles using a supercharged or turbocharged engine (Change: 50 pounds added) __________________ Bret Kepner BRETKEPNER@Prodigy.net Saint Louis, Missouri, USA

06-19-2012, 06:16 PM	#20
Richard Muhlenhardt Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: You asked fo it - here it is NHRA Factory Stock Showdown If this is just a special eliminator for Indy with adjusted cars from select classes why do they need an index -its flat out- and how can cars get light and then correct weight for full stock eliminator without major rule bending or seperate rules for the special eliminator