my opinion

[Dave Ficacci]

I want to comment on the issue of "hanging back" in the pits instead of coming right up when your class is called.

Most events in D1 and most National Events there are generally 100+ stockers and 80+ Super Stockers. By the time the first call goes out to come up the lanes, to the time the first pair goes down the track, it is usually 10 - 20 minutes if the race is running without a hitch..which is usually never! A full field of stock takes an hour and 15 min to an hour 30. You are almost talking about a 2 hour window!! I'm sure most of you knew that already though..

It is obvious there are some that will always be the first ones out, some come up in the middle and some will bring up the rear. Attend a few races and you should be able to figure out which drivers falls into which group. If you have to race someone who likes to hang back, plan accordingly! I'm sure most of you knew that already too..

Why should the racers who hang back be penalized because they would rather NOT sit in the lanes for an extra hour + ? A ton of things can change in that hour that will effect your on track performance. Air conditions, Track conditions lighting...etc. Sometimes you cannot make the adjustments you need to make because you are already in the lanes... again. I'm sure you guys knew that already too.

The guys in the back of the lanes don't hang back to anger their competitor or to try throw them off their game... They are in the back trying to give themselves the best shot at being prepared for the task at hand....but, I guess u knew that too...

Instead of worrying about who is bringing up the rear of the staging lanes..try working on the problem that is between your steering wheel and your seat!

[Mark Faul]

Going to 16 races is the racers prerogative. If he/ she can afford it, both in time and money, so be it. But having the time and money to devote on such a level should be considered a professional class of racing. However one wants to define it, it should be obvious that racing 16 and claiming the 5 best is an advantage that can't be shared by the true sportsman racer. If you can accept that, then the rules are tilted to the professional racer. What is wrong with claiming the race as you entered, as it was done in the past?


Even if a racer goes to all 24 national races, how is it an advantage other than seat time and possibly making some money? Here's an extreme example for you:
I lose round 1 at the first 6 races in 2010. Then I win the next 18. My national score would be 90, because as been stated before, you count the best 3 out of the FIRST 6 you attend. Some advantage!???

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

I want to comment on the issue of "hanging back" in the pits instead of coming right up when your class is called.


The guys in the back of the lanes don't hang back to anger their competitor or to try throw them off their game... They are in the back trying to give themselves the best shot at being prepared for the task at hand....but, I guess u knew that too...

Instead of worrying about who is bringing up the rear of the staging lanes..try working on the problem that is between your steering wheel and your seat!

Dave what about the guy that likes to go up right away and get going that has to race the guy who likes to hang back why is it right for him to be made to wait? Also what happens if every one desides to wait. Now they are holding up the whole show.

I think the only fair way to do it is you make the calls and give them a reasonable amount of time to get there then block the back of the lanes. In my opinion this should happen before the first pair goes down the track.

[Jeff Lee]

What is it about "Stock to the lanes...last call" that you don't understand or think you are above? Is that another hour in the air conditioned RV you deserve or what?

I guess I failed to mention all the laggards who have the advantage of analyzing the cars going down the track for an hour or so in search of changing weather conditions, traction issues, etc.

I have yet to witness less than adequate warning to get your car to the lanes.
First car does a burnout and I would be roping off the lanes if it were my call.

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by novassdude

Dave what about the guy that likes to go up right away and get going that has to race the guy who likes to hang back why is it right for him to be made to wait?

It's not right....but it's also not wrong. This is racing. Not a friendly game of cards. Some racers aren't out here to appease others and make friends. Some are out here to WIN and they will do anything within the rulebook to give themselves the best shot at winning. As long isn't a rule in place stating you must be in the lanes by x amount of time.. It will continue to be done this way. It's smart.

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

What is it about "Stock to the lanes...last call" that you don't understand or think you are above? Is that another hour in the air conditioned RV you deserve or what?

I guess I failed to mention all the laggards who have the advantage of analyzing the cars going down the track for an hour or so in search of changing weather conditions, traction issues, etc.

I have yet to witness less than adequate warning to get your car to the lanes.
First car does a burnout and I would be roping off the lanes if it were my call.

See above

[Jeff Lee]

It's up to the lane director and he may bite one day.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

What is it about "Stock to the lanes...last call" that you don't understand or think you are above? Is that another hour in the air conditioned RV you deserve or what?

I guess I failed to mention all the laggards who have the advantage of analyzing the cars going down the track for an hour or so in search of changing weather conditions, traction issues, etc.

I have yet to witness less than adequate warning to get your car to the lanes.
First car does a burnout and I would be roping off the lanes if it were my call.

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What is it about "Stock to the lanes...last call" that you don't understand or think you are above? Is that another hour in the air conditioned RV you deserve or what?

Boy we're really splitting hairs now.I know some that can't race their way out of a paper bag that have nice cushy motorhomes with (gasp) air conditioning.The guys who win don't
all wait till the very end,at least here in Div 1.

I guess I failed to mention all the laggards who have the advantage of analyzing the cars going down the track for an hour or so in search of changing weather conditions, traction issues, etc.

I'm not exactly a heavy hitter but I do like to get to the lanes after at least 20-25 pairs go down and try to evaluate as well as I can what the conditions are.

You seem to be wandering into the "Let's see how I can tilt the table" syndrome.And as
mentioned numerous times you haven't gone down the track in how long?That being said you do have the right to your opinion though it doesn't seem to carry much weight.
I hope you do get the car out next year,we do need some more AMC's out there.

[Dinsdale]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

What is it about "Stock to the lanes...last call" that you don't understand or think you are above? Is that another hour in the air conditioned RV you deserve or what?

I guess I failed to mention all the laggards who have the advantage of analyzing the cars going down the track for an hour or so in search of changing weather conditions, traction issues, etc.

I have yet to witness less than adequate warning to get your car to the lanes.
First car does a burnout and I would be roping off the lanes if it were my call.

I'm with Jeff on this one... On a lesser scale at our track but I have friends who run the lanes. It's always the same people who think they don't have to show up in time or be prepared to race once they get there. This practice is discourteous to the racer you are paired with, holds up the program and causes a huge jamb in the lanes while the track official is trying to locate straglers. It may help your race program to be last up but someone has to be first and there is no reason for everyone to not fall in line unless you have a mechanical problem.

[Mike Carr]

I should clarify the wording in my post from page 10. I don't personally have a problem with anyone and when they show up to the lanes. Unless it was a problem in regards to slowing the running of the event. If it were holding up the show, whether a round or a pair in that round, then the rule could be implemented. Especially if there is inclimate weather approaching. I prefer going early most of the time (at least in qualifying), but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Hey Don, no response to my earlier thread? Owned?