Speeds in S/G

[sst7250]

A little off topic, at least class wise. But what are the thoughts on fast cars in S/ST? My heap is to heavy for S/G IMO at 2800lbs with no ballast. I am planning to give S/ST a try with it but not sure it can be consistent. I have not had a chance to get out with the new converter yet but should go 165ish all out in the low 8's(been in the .20's with the wrong converter). I was able last year to get the car dialed with the old motor at 150 in S/ST trim, thinking the new engine will net me low 160's.?.Any thoughts?

[Barney B]

Originally Posted by sst7250

A little off topic, at least class wise. But what are the thoughts on fast cars in S/ST? My heap is to heavy for S/G IMO at 2800lbs with no ballast. I am planning to give S/ST a try with it but not sure it can be consistent. I have not had a chance to get out with the new converter yet but should go 165ish all out in the low 8's(been in the .20's with the wrong converter). I was able last year to get the car dialed with the old motor at 150 in S/ST trim, thinking the new engine will net me low 160's.?.Any thoughts?

I love it!

[Bob Verwold]

Any thoughts? Yea here's a thought drop 700 lbs and run S/G.........

[sst7250]

Originally Posted by Bob Verwold

Any thoughts? Yea here's a thought drop 700 lbs and run S/G.........

Would love to but in this car it aint gonna happen. Been looking for a lite car I fit in for almost two years now. I like to run the car wide open when bracket racing maybe we got carried away in the power department.

[Dave Steltz]

Originally Posted by sst7250

Would love to but in this car it aint gonna happen. Been looking for a lite car I fit in for almost two years now. I like to run the car wide open when bracket racing maybe we got carried away in the power department.

Have you actually tried to run SG ? Is it you think that you wont be able to hit the tree ?

Everyones friend GaryGoFast has a 2800 lbs chassis car, runs 8.50 ish out the door and with just a couple of changes has no issue hitting a .370 tree here in D1, so dunno why you cant...Whats your converter stall at and where's your 4 link set ?

I think the issue of going 160 is SST is getting the cruise RPM down low enough to have minimal time in the stop timer so you can get a longer run at the traps...

[sst7250]

Originally Posted by Dave Steltz

Have you actually tried to run SG ? Is it you think that you wont be able to hit the tree ?

Everyones friend GaryGoFast has a 2800 lbs chassis car, runs 8.50 ish out the door and with just a couple of changes has no issue hitting a .370 tree here in D1, so dunno why you cant...Whats your converter stall at and where's your 4 link set ?

I think the issue of going 160 is SST is getting the cruise RPM down low enough to have minimal time in the stop timer so you can get a longer run at the traps...

Well the engine combo is going to be an issue. I switched to a smaller higher horsepower motor in the car. I am on converter number three now, hoping it will stall at 6700 or so, as soon as the weather cooperates I will get it out and see. I have not tried to run S/G with the car. I have run it at some heads up stuff with a .4 tree but not S/G, not real confident the car can hit the tree. I can move the 4 link around and as soon as we get the converter deal sorted out will begin to play with the 4 link. I have primarily been full tree bracket racing and it works well in that setting. My concern is hitting the tree but we did find a 4 link setting(by putting the car on the bumper to the 330 mark)a few weeks back that may work well once we get the right converter in the car.

[Charlie Yannetti]

Well Dave...... I'm kinda with you on this topic........ I bought my Roadster and put it together to run in S/C, if you remember......... the first year out there in D1 I was pretty happy going 8.90 @ 155 or 156....... the dragsters back then were only going 160 or so..... I was pretty competitive until the dragsters started showing up and going 170 to 180, and now even faster in D1.......... so I moved to S/G where I was doing pretty well and having fun going 9.90 @ 153 or 154........ BUT....... in D1 it seemed that in the drop of a hat most guys are running 163 to 168 with their recently new set ups........ and I'm really feeling that with some testing in the converter and tire area, these guy will easily be into the 170's .........

I really don't see spending a ton of money anymore in trying to keep up......and in a 27 Roadster there is only "SO FAST" before the front fenders start doing a funny dance....... I learned last year that I can dial my car and it responds and does what I want when I want it to........ the only problem I had last year was that I had it in my head that I had to have the stripe and it cost me a lot of rounds........ when you're the slower MPH car, you just have to learn your car and run the top end........ I'm making some low dollar changes that should pick up my power and MPH a bit, but it will probably be a wash cause the fast MPH cars will probably also be picking up...... I only hope they keep it safe......... don't know where this MPH thing will stop, but they all have to run 9.90........

So Dave...... just pit next to me this year and we can shake our heads together....... but whenever we hang out, we do enjoy the race.......

[Dave Steltz]

Originally Posted by Charlie Yannetti

Well Dave...... I'm kinda with you on this topic........ I bought my Roadster and put it together to run in S/C, if you remember......... the first year out there in D1 I was pretty happy going 8.90 @ 155 or 156....... the dragsters back then were only going 160 or so..... I was pretty competitive until the dragsters started showing up and going 170 to 180, and now even faster in D1.......... so I moved to S/G where I was doing pretty well and having fun going 9.90 @ 153 or 154........ BUT....... in D1 it seemed that in the drop of a hat most guys are running 163 to 168 with their recently new set ups........ and I'm really feeling that with some testing in the converter and tire area, these guy will easily be into the 170's .........

I really don't see spending a ton of money anymore in trying to keep up......and in a 27 Roadster there is only "SO FAST" before the front fenders start doing a funny dance....... I learned last year that I can dial my car and it responds and does what I want when I want it to........ the only problem I had last year was that I had it in my head that I had to have the stripe and it cost me a lot of rounds........ when you're the slower MPH car, you just have to learn your car and run the top end........ I'm making some low dollar changes that should pick up my power and MPH a bit, but it will probably be a wash cause the fast MPH cars will probably also be picking up...... I only hope they keep it safe......... don't know where this MPH thing will stop, but they all have to run 9.90........

So Dave...... just pit next to me this year and we can shake our heads together....... but whenever we hang out, we do enjoy the race.......

Charlie, I'm with ya...I didnt build a 165 mph car, and certainly dont have the budget to install a drivetrain to do that...I got some new heads from Santa this year and am looking at maybe 155 but thats it...I figure its about a 20 K hit at least to get 10 more MPH...

[Ryan Dillman]

I honestly cant see a big deal trying to judge the finishline when im running 156 to 158 and the other guys coming on me at 165 actually i cant judge the finish line that well any way so that was just my 02. To me its not worth it to spend an extra 10 or 12k to pick up MAYBE 7 to 10 mph. I think we might try to run alchohol to try to get to about 160 but im not sure if the tank in the back would work im just not sure it the belt drive pump could keep up with it. Any suggestions??????

[Dave Steltz]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dillman

I honestly cant see a big deal trying to judge the finishline when im running 156 to 158 and the other guys coming on me at 165 actually i cant judge the finish line that well any way so that was just my 02. To me its not worth it to spend an extra 10 or 12k to pick up MAYBE 7 to 10 mph. I think we might try to run alchohol to try to get to about 160 but im not sure if the tank in the back would work im just not sure it the belt drive pump could keep up with it. Any suggestions??????

Having went thru the alcohol change from gas this past year I have some info...

If you are going to use an electric pump/carb, you might be able to do it...there are a few guys in D1 running
pretty good with a Nickerson set up, which uses a big pump and a regulator in the front with a by-pass..If you are going injection you pretty much need a front cell...

You wont have any luck I dont believe with a belt pump and rear cell...and if someone trys to talk you into a surge tank in the front, tried it, was very not happy with the results, and returned it to Rons..PM me if you need more details on that...

My .02 on the speed diff...I can do well enough at 150 judging 160-163 ish...more than that I just set up honest and see what happens at the line...some of these 170 guys are picking up 50 plus mph on the back half, so they are not there until 10 feet before the stripe...
I too hope to be closer to 155-157 this year so that should help me...