2009 IHRA Championship Format Announced - Page 3

luckydog · 11-18-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Oldfield

Damien, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but that doesn't sound like the 100% support for the new system that IHRA quoted you as saying. Honestly, I'm with you on this one, as I think the WORLD CHAMPION should need to do more than win one national event and the Rockingham shootout. Just like I don't believe the drivers that finish 2nd in division points should be invited to the Rockingham shootout. If they didn't win a national event, and they weren't good enough to be better than their division champion, why should they be eligible for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP???

Makes no sense to me. But, the way it stands now, the new points structure benefits me, as it was highly unlikely that I ever would have been world champion with the old format as I was never going to go to 5+ IHRA division events. Now, I just need to win my IHRA national event, and I'm going to Rockingham baby!

How on earth does the fact that I think the new points structure could use some tweaking have anything to do with whether or not I will support it 100%. Support = Participation

I also don't understand where you are coming from thinking the 2nd place finisher in the division should not be invited to Rockingham. Someone who attends a seasons worth of divisionals and finishes second in their division should be rewarded. Remember, we're trying to help with car counts here. My guess is that your not planning on attending too many divisionals in 09.

Jason Oldfield · 11-18-2008, 11:45 AM

If there are one or two that are close to me and I'm bored that weekend, I might attend. Otherwise, this new structure has pretty much sealed the deal for me to NOT attend IHRA division events. Why should I? Unless I am planning on going to 5 to 8 of them to try to come in 1st or 2nd in the division, its pretty much a waste of my time & money. They cost just as much to attend, yet the payout is a quarter of what national event payout is, winning one doesn't buy me anything from a national championship standpoint, I don't have to attend them in order to have the privledge of attending a national event (i.e. NHRA grade point), and last but not least, media coverage is basically non-existent at these races so it brings little value to my sponsors to attend these races.

But, even if I was I don't believe the person that's 2nd in points in their division should be invited to Rockingham for a chance to win the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Again, if that person wasn't good enough to win the division after a whole year's worth of racing, why should one race (Rockingham) crown that person the WORLD CHAMP??? Doesn't make sense.

And supporting the new system 100% means just that - supporting it ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! If you are saying that the system needs some tweaking, then that means you're not behind it 100%. You may still generally like the new format, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%. 100% implies no changes are necessary.

That said, I realize you will support the new structure Damien. You're a racer. You would support it if there was no world championship points structure, just like there isn't in NHRA for S/St. We race because we love to.

Again, this new format does nothing but benefit me, but I still don't feel like somebody that goes out and wins two races, maybe the ONLY IHRA races they attend that year, should be crowned WORLD CHAMP. Make Rockingham the "Race of Champions" by invitation only with national event and division winners. But, crown the WORLD CHAMP the person that has somewhat supported the sanctioning body and put together a body of work, not just one race. It's the same reason why I don't like NHRA's and NASCAR's countdown formats, but at least those are over a SERIES of races, not just one race.

But, hopefully they'll leave it as is so that I don't have to attend any IHRA division events, and can have a legitimate chance at proudly displaying the world championship trophy in my house, even though chances are that if that ever happens, there will probably be somebody else out there more deserving of being called "IHRA World Champ".

JJ3159 · 11-18-2008, 03:37 PM

I give ihra credit for trying to make a change,it at least it shows they wanna give everyone a shot to be world champ, i wish they had this structure in 04 h/r1159 s/st 1159

luckydog · 11-18-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Oldfield

And supporting the new system 100% means just that - supporting it ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! If you are saying that the system needs some tweaking, then that means you're not behind it 100%. You may still generally like the new format, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%. 100% implies no changes are necessary.

I suppose I may have been a little vague with my statement. I do not agree 100% with the format (about 95%), but I will support it 100%. So I guess that makes it like 97.75691% is that better? By the way Jason, the top 3 in each division make it to Rockingham, not 2.

mcaruso · 11-18-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by luckydog

I suppose I may have been a little vague with my statement. I do not agree 100% with the format (about 95%), but I will support it 100%. So I guess that makes it like 97.75691% is that better? By the way Jason, the top 3 in each division make it to Rockingham, not 2.

Damien- you must be VERY VERY specific when dealing with Jason. You know how those engineers can be.

Jason Oldfield · 11-18-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by luckydog

I suppose I may have been a little vague with my statement. I do not agree 100% with the format (about 95%), but I will support it 100%. So I guess that makes it like 97.75691% is that better? By the way Jason, the top 3 in each division make it to Rockingham, not 2.

Touche! OK, 97.75691% it is.

Really, top 3? Huh, I must have missed that. I thought it was top 2. OK, now its even dumber.

JJ3159 · 11-18-2008, 07:35 PM

Wow! I guess everyone has there own opinion.

luckydog · 11-18-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ3159

Wow! I guess everyone has there own opinion.

You got that right!!

Thanks for the info Marc. I'll remember that!

bmac · 11-18-2008, 09:40 PM

Jason O. Didnt know you were an engineer. What scale is your railroad N or HO

Furr · 11-19-2008, 09:46 AM

The new format does not work well for the people who used to travel to all the races and support IHRA to the fullest. It takes away that advantage. But some will still do it. It frees up others to travel and run other venues like NHRA a little more since no commitment is required to nationals.
I sent Skooter three pages of reasons I thought this was not good. He posted my first three lines where I said I understood the need for a change and would support it even though I disagreed with it. Maybe he did the same thing to Damien and you only saw his positive comments. It makes it look like I am all for it also but I was very vocal against it when asked about it months ago.
Anyway it is what it is and now I will try to make it work for me. I hope everyone else does the same. IHRA may not makes the right moves but they are moving and listening. He did fix a few of the things I complained about so I know he heard me anyway. This will forever change the World champion enigma in a negative way though.

Steve Furr - Who cares which santioning body is in town, just support a place for us all to race.

11-18-2008, 11:45 AM	#22
Jason Oldfield Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 619 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2009 IHRA Championship Format Announced If there are one or two that are close to me and I'm bored that weekend, I might attend. Otherwise, this new structure has pretty much sealed the deal for me to NOT attend IHRA division events. Why should I? Unless I am planning on going to 5 to 8 of them to try to come in 1st or 2nd in the division, its pretty much a waste of my time & money. They cost just as much to attend, yet the payout is a quarter of what national event payout is, winning one doesn't buy me anything from a national championship standpoint, I don't have to attend them in order to have the privledge of attending a national event (i.e. NHRA grade point), and last but not least, media coverage is basically non-existent at these races so it brings little value to my sponsors to attend these races. But, even if I was I don't believe the person that's 2nd in points in their division should be invited to Rockingham for a chance to win the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Again, if that person wasn't good enough to win the division after a whole year's worth of racing, why should one race (Rockingham) crown that person the WORLD CHAMP??? Doesn't make sense. And supporting the new system 100% means just that - supporting it ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! If you are saying that the system needs some tweaking, then that means you're not behind it 100%. You may still generally like the new format, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%. 100% implies no changes are necessary. That said, I realize you will support the new structure Damien. You're a racer. You would support it if there was no world championship points structure, just like there isn't in NHRA for S/St. We race because we love to. Again, this new format does nothing but benefit me, but I still don't feel like somebody that goes out and wins two races, maybe the ONLY IHRA races they attend that year, should be crowned WORLD CHAMP. Make Rockingham the "Race of Champions" by invitation only with national event and division winners. But, crown the WORLD CHAMP the person that has somewhat supported the sanctioning body and put together a body of work, not just one race. It's the same reason why I don't like NHRA's and NASCAR's countdown formats, but at least those are over a SERIES of races, not just one race. But, hopefully they'll leave it as is so that I don't have to attend any IHRA division events, and can have a legitimate chance at proudly displaying the world championship trophy in my house, even though chances are that if that ever happens, there will probably be somebody else out there more deserving of being called "IHRA World Champ". __________________ Jason Oldfield S/G & S/St 1838

11-18-2008, 03:37 PM	#23
JJ3159 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WEST SENECA N.Y. Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2009 IHRA Championship Format Announced I give ihra credit for trying to make a change,it at least it shows they wanna give everyone a shot to be world champ, i wish they had this structure in 04 h/r1159 s/st 1159 __________________ jj h/r 1399 s/r 1399 s/g 1399

11-18-2008, 07:35 PM	#27
JJ3159 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WEST SENECA N.Y. Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2009 IHRA Championship Format Announced Wow! I guess everyone has there own opinion. __________________ jj h/r 1399 s/r 1399 s/g 1399

11-18-2008, 09:40 PM	#29
bmac Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2009 IHRA Championship Format Announced Jason O. Didnt know you were an engineer. What scale is your railroad N or HO

11-19-2008, 09:46 AM	#30
Furr Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Harrisburg NC Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2009 IHRA Championship Format Announced The new format does not work well for the people who used to travel to all the races and support IHRA to the fullest. It takes away that advantage. But some will still do it. It frees up others to travel and run other venues like NHRA a little more since no commitment is required to nationals. I sent Skooter three pages of reasons I thought this was not good. He posted my first three lines where I said I understood the need for a change and would support it even though I disagreed with it. Maybe he did the same thing to Damien and you only saw his positive comments. It makes it look like I am all for it also but I was very vocal against it when asked about it months ago. Anyway it is what it is and now I will try to make it work for me. I hope everyone else does the same. IHRA may not makes the right moves but they are moving and listening. He did fix a few of the things I complained about so I know he heard me anyway. This will forever change the World champion enigma in a negative way though. Steve Furr - Who cares which santioning body is in town, just support a place for us all to race.