Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again

Mike Meier · 11-05-2008, 03:18 AM

Regarding E-town they only have a certain number of "noise days" where they can have unmuffled vehicles. #1) I think all of them are spoken for. #2) Even without the alcohol cars we'd still need 3 days because then they'd wanna run Top Dragster / Sportsman. I wouldn't hold my breath on getting 10 noise days dedicated to NHRA races.

Call me crazy, but what about ESTA Safety Park and Spencer Speedway in northern New York? I have never been to either but I wouldn't mind paying a visit if I were given an incentive to make the long trip (an open or a divisional). Were points races or national opens ever held at either one in the past? Or are they too small to handle something like that? Likewise with Capital Raceway in Maryland?

Adam Strang · 11-05-2008, 08:20 AM

For once Ed F.and I agree on something I had no problems at Island and was looking foward to going back next year.

Jim what`s your problem with having some races in Canada?Too far to travel for ya?It does give some of the northern guys a chance to race at their home tracks.

Owen S Quirion · 11-05-2008, 08:36 AM

Ed, I'm just happy that even with the tough economic times, Gary has stepped up to sponsor the shorter four race series.

Mike, I used to race at ESTA quite frequently when I lived closer to Syracuse. I like the people that run the place a lot but the facility is not what you are used to. They recently did a lot of work to the racing surface and installed nice scoreboards but space would be a problem for an open. They do have a Stock/SS combo race usually in August. Tjhat might be a good time to try the place out.

John Beasaw III · 11-05-2008, 12:59 PM

Spencer Speedway is currently a 1/10 mile dragstrip. Although the starting line has teeth due to some hard work by the officials. They added scoreboards this past season and are talking about making it an eigth mile. When i was a kid they ran class cars there. These days just brackets with alot of restrictions from the town.

Not the best choice for the open series.

Jason Oldfield · 11-05-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John Beasaw III

Spencer Speedway is currently a 1/10 mile dragstrip. Although the starting line has teeth due to some hard work by the officials. They added scoreboards this past season and are talking about making it an eigth mile. When i was a kid they ran class cars there. These days just brackets with alot of restrictions from the town.

Not the best choice for the open series.

Totally agree. I know lots of people that race there on a weekly basis that swear by it (they primarily like the entry fee vs. payout structure), but it is definitely not suitable for an open race at this time.

Are there really that few NHRA member tracks in D1 now that somebody would seriously suggest Spencer? Looking for tracks that we don't currently visit for LODRS events or opens, the quarter-mile list includes:

- ESTA
- Island
- Mason-Dixon
- Capitol
- Delmar
- Luskville

The only track I've ever been at on this list is Delmar, which I didn't think was terrible (I always DID terrible there, but I could never blame it on the track). That said, I have to say that looking at the division from a geographical standpoint, ESTA is about as near in the center as you can possibly get, with Island the next closest.

From a central location to population density though, I don't think you could pick any better from that list than Island.

Lynn Hoosigian · 11-05-2008, 07:00 PM

Jason, I agree with you on the other tracks.
Mason-Dixon was a nice track with GREAT people running it! Elmer did a lot of improvements to it over the last few years. Problem is the amount of money the tracks have to pay NHRA to hold any Open or Divisional. Heard it was pretty steep and with everything in this country going the way it's going, maybe they don't want to take the chance of losing their shirts!!!

George Mirza · 11-05-2008, 09:37 PM

Lynn,
You hit it right on the head, the tracks don't want the Open races. A couple of years of low car counts and bad weather and thats it. After the last Open at L.V. Howard said he'll only have one if he can get one in the spring or the fall. He said that last open cost him a bunch. It's too bad, it's nice to go to a race thats one day, close to home, not over crowded and good for a grade point. I think what hurts the car count is there are just to many races in D1. It's good for the racer but not for the track operators.

Dave, congratulations on your Stock Eliminator Open Series Championship! Nice touch with the win at the Dutch.

Big thumbs-up to P.C. Richards for their continued support!

Greg Barsamian · 11-07-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn Hoosigian

Jason, I agree with you on the other tracks.
Mason-Dixon was a nice track with GREAT people running it! Elmer did a lot of improvements to it over the last few years. Problem is the amount of money the tracks have to pay NHRA to hold any Open or Divisional. Heard it was pretty steep and with everything in this country going the way it's going, maybe they don't want to take the chance of losing their shirts!!!

The exact reason a facility like New England Dragway is still IHRA sanctioned.
This weeks rumor is to flip in 2010?

Jim Bob · 11-28-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Oldfield

Totally agree. I know lots of people that race there on a weekly basis that swear by it (they primarily like the entry fee vs. payout structure), but it is definitely not suitable for an open race at this time.

Are there really that few NHRA member tracks in D1 now that somebody would seriously suggest Spencer? Looking for tracks that we don't currently visit for LODRS events or opens, the quarter-mile list includes:

- ESTA
- Island
- Mason-Dixon
- Capitol
- Delmar
- Luskville

The only track I've ever been at on this list is Delmar, which I didn't think was terrible (I always DID terrible there, but I could never blame it on the track). That said, I have to say that looking at the division from a geographical standpoint, ESTA is about as near in the center as you can possibly get, with Island the next closest.

From a central location to population density though, I don't think you could pick any better from that list than Island.

Two big reasons, Safety and Economics ...

ESTA: Currently no guardrail trackside. Very limited pit space and very short staging area. Also probably not interested in making a big investment based on the history of the Island and Mason Dixon races. Remember, these track owners and operators do talk to one another.
Island: Thier choice to stop. No money to be had with and average of 120 cars in 3 years.
Mason-Dixon: Thier choice to stop. Again, no profit. Great folks just looking out for thier business.
Capitol: Lack of pit space as I understand it.
Delmar: Owners choice to stop. Doubt they will ever come back.
Luskville: ??

Remember too, most of you guys only park and race at the track. Very few of you buy at the concession stands or souvenier shops. That is where a track makes money. You bring all of your own supplies. And since these races do not draw much in the way of crowds, nobody is selling much of anything.

Bottom line is thank goodness for a guy like Gary Richard and his undying support of D1 racing.

ken robinson · 11-30-2008, 03:39 PM

Thanks to Sony & P.C. Richards ! Nice job Dave on your great season . I have never traveled to Canada what do you need , or what problems might one run into ? Do you need a passport ? Whats NHRA charging the tracks for an open or a div race , anybody know the numbers ? To bad for Island , they could benifit from alittle management 101 . Englishtown needs new neighbors and when they move to FLA or N. C.to retire , will they buy next to another race track again ? I miss US13 .........

11-05-2008, 08:36 AM	#3
Owen S Quirion Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Captiol District of New York Posts: 71 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again Ed, I'm just happy that even with the tough economic times, Gary has stepped up to sponsor the shorter four race series. Mike, I used to race at ESTA quite frequently when I lived closer to Syracuse. I like the people that run the place a lot but the facility is not what you are used to. They recently did a lot of work to the racing surface and installed nice scoreboards but space would be a problem for an open. They do have a Stock/SS combo race usually in August. Tjhat might be a good time to try the place out. __________________ BF/S 1985 Grand Am 3.0 V6

11-05-2008, 07:00 PM	#6
Lynn Hoosigian Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Douglassville, PA Posts: 379 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again Jason, I agree with you on the other tracks. Mason-Dixon was a nice track with GREAT people running it! Elmer did a lot of improvements to it over the last few years. Problem is the amount of money the tracks have to pay NHRA to hold any Open or Divisional. Heard it was pretty steep and with everything in this country going the way it's going, maybe they don't want to take the chance of losing their shirts!!! __________________ Lynn Hoosigian 1828 SST, SG, SC

11-05-2008, 09:37 PM	#7
George Mirza Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Attleborough Ma. Posts: 522 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again Lynn, You hit it right on the head, the tracks don't want the Open races. A couple of years of low car counts and bad weather and thats it. After the last Open at L.V. Howard said he'll only have one if he can get one in the spring or the fall. He said that last open cost him a bunch. It's too bad, it's nice to go to a race thats one day, close to home, not over crowded and good for a grade point. I think what hurts the car count is there are just to many races in D1. It's good for the racer but not for the track operators. Dave, congratulations on your Stock Eliminator Open Series Championship! Nice touch with the win at the Dutch. Big thumbs-up to P.C. Richards for their continued support!

11-30-2008, 03:39 PM	#10
ken robinson Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: tomsriver nj Posts: 479 Likes: 74 Liked 215 Times in 86 Posts	Re: Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again Thanks to Sony & P.C. Richards ! Nice job Dave on your great season . I have never traveled to Canada what do you need , or what problems might one run into ? Do you need a passport ? Whats NHRA charging the tracks for an open or a div race , anybody know the numbers ? To bad for Island , they could benifit from alittle management 101 . Englishtown needs new neighbors and when they move to FLA or N. C.to retire , will they buy next to another race track again ? I miss US13 .........

11-05-2008, 03:18 AM	#1
Mike Meier Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Webster, TX Posts: 317 Likes: 127 Liked 39 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again Regarding E-town they only have a certain number of "noise days" where they can have unmuffled vehicles. #1) I think all of them are spoken for. #2) Even without the alcohol cars we'd still need 3 days because then they'd wanna run Top Dragster / Sportsman. I wouldn't hold my breath on getting 10 noise days dedicated to NHRA races. Call me crazy, but what about ESTA Safety Park and Spencer Speedway in northern New York? I have never been to either but I wouldn't mind paying a visit if I were given an incentive to make the long trip (an open or a divisional). Were points races or national opens ever held at either one in the past? Or are they too small to handle something like that? Likewise with Capital Raceway in Maryland? __________________ Mike Meier "World's most expensive DF/S" 2007 Chevy Cobalt....because suffering through owning an AMC Stocker wasn't enough

11-05-2008, 08:20 AM	#2
Adam Strang Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Jericho,Vt Posts: 207 Likes: 93 Liked 96 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Sony & P.C. Richard.com Does it Again For once Ed F.and I agree on something I had no problems at Island and was looking foward to going back next year. Jim what`s your problem with having some races in Canada?Too far to travel for ya?It does give some of the northern guys a chance to race at their home tracks. __________________ Adam Strang 1018 STK

11-05-2008, 12:59 PM	#4
John Beasaw III Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Marion, N.Y. Posts: 126 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Spencer Speedway is currently a 1/10 mile dragstrip. Although the starting line has teeth due to some hard work by the officials. They added scoreboards this past season and are talking about making it an eigth mile. When i was a kid they ran class cars there. These days just brackets with alot of restrictions from the town. Not the best choice for the open series.