Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll)

[Dyno]

With the cars standard production weight of approximately 3400 lbs and a predicted hp rating at 325, I predict it will be a D, E and F class car. Now, if the car comes in at a lighter weight, which it should with the ability to remove all the emission equipment, wiring, etc., it could land as C, D or E. Turbo engines can make more power than you would expect, fun to see where it lands. Bets anyone!

[JP1738]

Originally Posted by Dyno

With the cars standard production weight of approximately 3400 lbs and a predicted hp rating at 325, I predict it will be a D, E and F class car. Now, if the car comes in at a lighter weight, which it should with the ability to remove all the emission equipment, wiring, etc., it could land as C, D or E. Turbo engines can make more power than you would expect, fun to see where it lands. Bets anyone!

I agree it will land in C/D/Eish and it will be fast. It won't be lightening fast to begin with as GUMP really has built a bone stock engine to start out with, but he doesn't build slow stuff either. I reckon it'll be capable of 1.00 under out the gates with way more potential down the road. Just my guess tho

[Sgrossi7158]

Originally Posted by Dyno

With the cars standard production weight of approximately 3400 lbs and a predicted hp rating at 325, I predict it will be a D, E and F class car. Now, if the car comes in at a lighter weight, which it should with the ability to remove all the emission equipment, wiring, etc., it could land as C, D or E. Turbo engines can make more power than you would expect, fun to see where it lands. Bets anyone!

Why start with an arbitrary HP rating of 325. Why don’t we start out with the factory HP rating and let the AHFS work as designed?

[GTS340]

Originally Posted by Sgrossi7158

Why start with an arbitrary HP rating of 325. Why don?t we start out with the factory HP rating and let the AHFS work as designed?

I believe they gave all the newer cars about 15% off the advertized. Don't quote me on that. Same thing with the shipping weight. Not 15% but they will trim some off the 3411 lbs i would fair guess . I only know the Mopar side of it. They have they new challenger at 3600 lbs curb weight. That is about 300 lbs less than reality. See you at the races Sante.

Paul H

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Sgrossi7158

Why start with an arbitrary HP rating of 325. Why don?t we start out with the factory HP rating and let the AHFS work as designed?

That's a fair question. It's mostly because the NHRA published horespower rating no longer has anything to do with actual HP. Somewhere in time, it became a factor in the math to regulate the classes.

Due to standards that didn't exist in "The Way Back" the HP numbers that the manufacturers publish are much more honest than in the past. That would make them less than competetive in the world of NHRA Stock/SS racing.

[Sgrossi7158]

Originally Posted by GUMP

That's a fair question. It's mostly because the NHRA published horespower rating no longer has anything to do with actual HP. Somewhere in time, it became a factor in the math to regulate the classes.

Due to standards that didn't exist in "The Way Back" the HP numbers that the manufacturers publish are much more honest than in the past. That would make them less than competetive in the world of NHRA Stock/SS racing.

Daren, thank you for the response to my question. I think what you are doing in terms of adding an exciting new car/combination to Stock Eliminator is a good thing and your hard work should be commended. However, one does not have to look back too far to see the results of what I believe is over generous NHRA HP ratings related to new cars/combinations.
For example, 2010 INDY; 11 of the top 16 qualifiers were 2008-2010 entries.
2011 INDY; all top 16 qualifiers were 2008-2011 entries.

In my opinion, new cars/combinations in Stock Eliminator should be competitive, but they should not be dominating classes full of previous top qualifiers that have been flogging out there combinations for the past 20+ years.

[Pat6868]

When classified by hp vs weight, body aerodynamics can be an advantage, old vs new.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Sgrossi7158

Daren, thank you for the response to my question. I think what you are doing in terms of adding an exciting new car/combination to Stock Eliminator is a good thing and your hard work should be commended.

Thanks!

However, one does not have to look back too far to see the results of what I believe is over generous NHRA HP ratings related to new cars/combinations.
For example, 2010 INDY; 11 of the top 16 qualifiers were 2008-2010 entries.
2011 INDY; all top 16 qualifiers were 2008-2011 entries.

I guess that was all Drag Paks and Cobra Jets? My thought is that it would be better to look at more years if you want to make a fair argument. I can think of more than a few combinations that are really strong when the AHFS is turned off.

In my opinion, new cars/combinations in Stock Eliminator should be competitive, but they should not be dominating classes full of previous top qualifiers that have been flogging out there combinations for the past 20+ years.

That assumes that the performance increases are all due to "flogging". But, not "enhancements". Why shouldn't a new car be Bad ***** right out of the box?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Thanks!


That assumes that the performance increases are all due to "flogging". But, not "enhancements". Why shouldn't a new car be Bad ***** right out of the box?

Why should a new car immediately be able to negate all of the hard work, development, and investment of combinations people have had for a long time?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Why should a new car immediately be able to negate all of the hard work, development, and investment of combinations people have had for a long time?

People were asking pretty much the same questions when the "supercars" ruined everything in the sixties....