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[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Tom Broome

You chose a vehicle combination that you wanted to race, and approached the manufacturer and NHRA to get that combination installed into the guide.

Which is exactly what I did.

What you DID NOT do, is built a finished race car BEFORE the manufacturer submitted specs to NHRA....Which leaves the appearance of specific favoritism, since it appears that the specs will be generated around that ONE SPECIFIC race car.

This has been the case with late model Stockers for quite a few years now. I think that it started with the Corvettes, then the GTOs, followed by all the Challengers, Mustangs, and Camaros. Each of those started with getting a chassis approved.

And yes, I know all about the 1968 Cobra Jets....And all the vagaries involved. Ford really twisted the arm of NHRA to get it done...and not for the first time either. But consider that process involved more one specific vehicle. What we are discussing is a completely new and different process towards inclusion in the guide. Darren admits specifically that....."Once everything is approved by the NHRA it will be added to the guide. Then the whole world can see it. Which is exactly how it has always been.".....Really?....Always?

This paragraph begins with the answer to your question...

Not that I can blame them for taking advantage of a weak NHRA who's become beholden to Toyota for manufacturer support.

You know this as fact? Or, a little speculation on your part?

If you can afford it, more power to you. But then too, you almost had to have an expectation that when included in the guide it would receive favorable horsepower to make it as competitive as possible.....Otherwise why would you make the investment in preemptively constructing a finished race car....

I would expect the same consideration that other OEMs have been given.

One off transmission adapters included. By the way? What's the Toyota part number for that transmission adapter? Or the manufacturer? Is it an "on the shelf" part?

I have gone out of my way to make sure that these parts are available. NHRA is a bubble within a much larger space. The Supra has a growing enthusiast market. Also, you don't need an OEM part number on a legal aftermarket part.

I believe these are the concerns you sort of glossed over in an attempt to diminish Mr.McNiel's question...though I've never met the man, maybe you could treat another racer with a little more respect, and determine his thoughts first.

I don't know him either. I don't see the disrespect in my comment or Brent's. We just added some history.

It's a shame that so many people try to take something like this and turn it into a them versus us thing.....

[Tom Broome]

Since you chose to respond and digest my comments towards BrettV part by part, allow me to respond in kind...And might I add that your division of my comments is a great way to dilute and diminish the ability to formulate a cogent response....As well as obfuscate my original thought process...You have answered direct questions like a DC contractor...That is talk about everything, yet not answer the question asked.....Hats off to you Sir!
But certainly you can see that answers of this type naturally lead to speculation.
I'm not interested in starting a flame war, but I do see some glaring discrepancies in your statements throughout this thread. So it would be the polite thing of you to actually provide some consistent straight answers

Originally Posted by GUMP

Which is exactly what I did.
This has been the case with late model Stockers for quite a few years now. I think that it started with the Corvettes, then the GTOs, followed by all the Challengers, Mustangs, and Camaros. Each of those started with getting a chassis approved.

You say that is what you did? What I asked was for BrettV, and that was that he did not build a finished race car with one off specific parts like transmission adapters BEFORE approaching the manufacturer for submission of a specific combination. You chose to respond with a word salad about chassis approval.
The Velde's saw a dealer ordered package that they would like to race, and approached NHRA through the manufacture's channels to submit it for approval...Right?
So your statements seem to conflict each other on this one point.Looking through your own comments, you admitted that the car was not in the guide when you constructed it. The car seems to be finished and has still not been put in the guide as you alluded too. How is that exactly the same?...Oh wait...you didn't answer that question...It was all about chassis approval.
I know....Your rebuttal will be..."That's the way the Dragpak, COPO, and (newer) Cobra Jets were done. Those are manufacturers submissions from a performance program....So what input and influence did TRD have on this project?
But based on your own statements here, it's not the way your (this) project was accomplished. In those cases an automobile manufacturer approached NHRA, and submitted a proposal for a completed factory/aftermarket race car package.
So then? Who initially approached who for the inclusion of this race car? Did you approach NHRA? Then work with Toyota to finalize specifics? Or did you approach Toyota, to request they work with NHRA....Minor points to be sure, but it's important to understand how you managed to accomplish such a task easily enough to build a complete race car without any foreknowledge.

This paragraph begins with the answer to your question...

This?....And yes, I know all about the 1968 Cobra Jets....And all the vagaries involved.
So your answer is...BBBut FFFFord did it in 1968...
Maybe your memory is better than mine, but exactly how many Cobra Jets were raced in STOCK Eliminator at the 1968 NHRA Winternationals??? Don't answer with how many raced in any specific other year...Or how the rules currently are. You brought up the Cobra Jet rollout first.

Not that I can blame them for taking advantage of a weak NHRA who's become beholden to Toyota for manufacturer support.

What I do see with my eyes is that Toyota seems to have an impressive amount of influence on Motorsports wherever they choose.
What I do know as a fact, is that Toyota is the largest automobile manufacturer in the world.
What I can speculate on is how that status might affect the decisions of NHRA towards some classes the "the Association" views as glorified bracket racing.

I would expect the same consideration that other OEMs have been given.

That is an interesting way you framed that statement...." the same consideration that other OEMs...."That seems to allude that the vehicle in question is in truth a Toyota project with you as a subcontractor....
Or...Here's one of those disruptions I referenced earlier...Because you bypassed my original question.
A yes or no will suffice, was this car constructed prior to approaching NHRA for it's inclusion in Stock Eliminator? Your previous comments tend to say no.

I have gone out of my way to make sure that these parts are available. NHRA is a bubble within a much larger space. The Supra has a growing enthusiast market. Also, you don't need an OEM part number on a legal aftermarket part.

Yes I know that you don't need to have an OEM part number......But The specific part has to be generally available, that doesn't mean that a one toff CNC transmission adapter is considered legal just because it's already on a race car. If I chose to purchase one tomorrow, where could I buy this transmission adapter?

I don't know him either. I don't see the disrespect in my comment or Brent's. We just added some history.

It's a shame that so many people try to take something like this and turn it into a them versus us thing.....

Again I was responding to Brett, who completely (much like you) bypassed the content and intent of the question that Rory had...Take the time to look up his original question.

And them versus us? I'm unsure if that was a direct referral towards me, but I was always under the assumption that stock eliminator was for automobile combinations that were dealer/showroom available. Them them versus us, actually started when the manufacturers pressured NHRA into accepting COPO, DragPak and CobraJet combinations into Stock Eliminator.....That's when the US...little guy who wants to upgrade his street car, became the THEM...those who can afford to bankroll that one big expense to purchase a "store bought" race car. I'm not going to say where I feel you fit in...