nitro shortage

Gary Smith · 06-03-2008, 02:14 PM

Typical corporate posturing. They're a bunch of cartels. Some have guns, some have lots of money, or both. What'll make this fun is seeing who gets kneecapped first, and who goes down - Schumacher, NHRA, VP, or all the above.

Jason Oldfield · 06-03-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Smith

Typical corporate posturing. They're a bunch of cartels. Some have guns, some have lots of money, or both. What'll make this fun is seeing who gets kneecapped first, and who goes down - Schumacher, NHRA, VP, or all the above.

That's awesome! Kneecapped....Bwahahahahahaha....

My money is on VP getting kneecapped. They've already issued a press release retracting some of what was said in the CompetitionPlus article. I'm thinking the first specific person that gets it is Wade Gray from VP. But, I'm not sure of his position at VP, so obviously if he's high enough up the chain nothing will happen to him...

Jim Bailey · 06-03-2008, 05:17 PM

Steve, Unless you purchased around $50,000.00 worth of nitro to run your racing operation in the last year or so, I'd be very careful about making strong arm comments. YOU don't have all the facts my friend. There's a lot more to this than is being let out. It's all about making money. And once again the racers are the ones getting screwed. But, that's never happened before. Has it!?

herbjr · 06-03-2008, 05:24 PM

Steve you are very wrong with what you are saying about Don and Nitro. My brother imports stuff from China and I can tell you he had over 6 months notice on the shutdown of just about the whole country during the olympics. That is the main thing causing this shortage. Its not what they have now but he fact the facility is shut down. And why does Don have to sell it to VP. They fined him for a barrel of NITRO he had in the trailer upstairs, not in his pit. If VP wants to play official supplier they need to NUT up and buy stock like my brother had to. No it wasnt nitro but it was a 4 month supply of products. I dont care who you are or what business you are in when you put all your eggs in one basket the birds dont fly one day, that is what has happened here.

Ill bet you guys dont know that NITRO is also sold to the Govt. to build bombs. Wonder how much is being used there.

Herb Jr

Dave Goob Cook · 06-03-2008, 05:31 PM

The ones getting kneecapped are the Pro racers and ESPECIALLY the Nostalgia Fuel racers.....
Schumacher only has the Nitro he has, because he has been supplying NHRA racers, (for testing) and Nostalgia racers Nitro at near half what VP wants for it.

So let's examine this......Don has fuel stored at Vegas for the Monday test sessions, 4 drums get rolled out to the pits because it just happened that way, no one with access was available for Monday, so somebody squeals (VP ??) and Don gets embarrassed publicly, as well as the Army Team, fined a ludicrous amount of $$$.....fast forward to VP has no Nitro, Don is keeping his, and NOW testing is prohibited for the Nitro classes......theory would be that Don has no market anymore, but guess what, he can get his money back anytime.
There are lots of markets for Nitro.

NHRA is dicking it up again.

Just my opinion.

Go Don!

G Schenck · 06-03-2008, 07:32 PM

I am not a big fan of Don's but that is the way I see it as Dave explained.

Greg

Gary Smith · 06-04-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by G Schenck

I am not a big fan of Don's but that is the way I see it as Dave explained.

Greg

Like Greg, I'm not a Schumacher fan, namely for his "business before fun" tactic. But the smart money goes to him because he did what any deep pocket businessman would do during a speculative upturn in a market...he hedged...and won twice. Don is a risk taker, typical of any smart business person. He saw the problem before VP, and NHRA was caught in a catch 22 and made a "panic" move. Don simply reminded VP and NHRA they can't have their cake and eat it too.

herbjr · 06-04-2008, 07:01 AM

VP has NHRA, Don sold to TORCO who supplied IHRA, Don sold to all Nostalgia racers but he also sold to AHDRA and other groups. Don sold more Nitro than VP so in the big picture 400 barrells isnt alot to have in stock for everything he was supplying. Maybe if VP wouldnt try screwing the racers Don would have never got in the NITRO buisness anyway. Maybe if VP and NHRA hadnt blasted him on TV for Cheating he would continue to sell VP nitro as he did in the past. Maybe the moral to this story is even a dog wont s&&t in his own playpin if you leave him there. NHRA and VP made a stupid decision and they are now blaming Don for it. All NHRA has to do is admit pubically they were wrong and Ill be the NITRO gets sold to VP or they need to make Don an official supplier and it will happen.

Herb Jr

06-03-2008, 02:14 PM	#1
Gary Smith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 820 Likes: 9 Liked 132 Times in 30 Posts	Re: nitro shortage Typical corporate posturing. They're a bunch of cartels. Some have guns, some have lots of money, or both. What'll make this fun is seeing who gets kneecapped first, and who goes down - Schumacher, NHRA, VP, or all the above. __________________ Gary Smith "another broke racer spectating"

06-03-2008, 05:17 PM	#3
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: nitro shortage Steve, Unless you purchased around $50,000.00 worth of nitro to run your racing operation in the last year or so, I'd be very careful about making strong arm comments. YOU don't have all the facts my friend. There's a lot more to this than is being let out. It's all about making money. And once again the racers are the ones getting screwed. But, that's never happened before. Has it!?

06-03-2008, 05:24 PM	#4
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: nitro shortage Steve you are very wrong with what you are saying about Don and Nitro. My brother imports stuff from China and I can tell you he had over 6 months notice on the shutdown of just about the whole country during the olympics. That is the main thing causing this shortage. Its not what they have now but he fact the facility is shut down. And why does Don have to sell it to VP. They fined him for a barrel of NITRO he had in the trailer upstairs, not in his pit. If VP wants to play official supplier they need to NUT up and buy stock like my brother had to. No it wasnt nitro but it was a 4 month supply of products. I dont care who you are or what business you are in when you put all your eggs in one basket the birds dont fly one day, that is what has happened here. Ill bet you guys dont know that NITRO is also sold to the Govt. to build bombs. Wonder how much is being used there. Herb Jr

06-03-2008, 05:31 PM	#5
Dave Goob Cook Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indy Posts: 422 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: nitro shortage The ones getting kneecapped are the Pro racers and ESPECIALLY the Nostalgia Fuel racers..... Schumacher only has the Nitro he has, because he has been supplying NHRA racers, (for testing) and Nostalgia racers Nitro at near half what VP wants for it. So let's examine this......Don has fuel stored at Vegas for the Monday test sessions, 4 drums get rolled out to the pits because it just happened that way, no one with access was available for Monday, so somebody squeals (VP ??) and Don gets embarrassed publicly, as well as the Army Team, fined a ludicrous amount of $$$.....fast forward to VP has no Nitro, Don is keeping his, and NOW testing is prohibited for the Nitro classes......theory would be that Don has no market anymore, but guess what, he can get his money back anytime. There are lots of markets for Nitro. NHRA is dicking it up again. Just my opinion. Go Don!

06-03-2008, 07:32 PM	#6
G Schenck Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Harahan, La. Posts: 521 Likes: 41 Liked 81 Times in 35 Posts	Re: nitro shortage I am not a big fan of Don's but that is the way I see it as Dave explained. Greg

06-04-2008, 07:01 AM	#8
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: nitro shortage VP has NHRA, Don sold to TORCO who supplied IHRA, Don sold to all Nostalgia racers but he also sold to AHDRA and other groups. Don sold more Nitro than VP so in the big picture 400 barrells isnt alot to have in stock for everything he was supplying. Maybe if VP wouldnt try screwing the racers Don would have never got in the NITRO buisness anyway. Maybe if VP and NHRA hadnt blasted him on TV for Cheating he would continue to sell VP nitro as he did in the past. Maybe the moral to this story is even a dog wont s&&t in his own playpin if you leave him there. NHRA and VP made a stupid decision and they are now blaming Don for it. All NHRA has to do is admit pubically they were wrong and Ill be the NITRO gets sold to VP or they need to make Don an official supplier and it will happen. Herb Jr