Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block?

Just Observing · 05-30-2008, 08:37 PM

Or was there another violation?

1 2100 SS/BS Lee Sharp, Maryville TN, '05 Cavalier 8.851 10.05 -1.199
2 2093 GT/KA Bob Dennis, Shorter AL, '91 Calais 10.640 11.75 -1.110
3 2 SS/BS Peter Biondo, Maspeth NY, '08 Cobalt 8.944 10.05 -1.106
4 765 SS/L Kip Martin, Phoenix AZ, '64 Mustang 10.513 11.55 -1.037
5 5580 GT/MA Tony Shaffer, Independence MO, '80 Malibu 11.061 12.05 -0.989
6 5206 SS/MA Carroll Warling, Arvada CO, '74 Grand Am 11.174 12.15 -0.976
7 3989 SS/HA Bret Voges, Findlay OH, '67 Chevy II 9.941 10.90 -0.959
8 4147 GT/TC Robert Cruzen, Cleveland OK, '02 S-10 10.442 11.40 -0.958
9 1052 SS/DM Arnie Martel, Tewksbury MA, '08 Cobalt 9.097 10.05 -0.953
10 306 GT/CA David Tincher, Elizabethtown IN, '94 Caval 9.750 10.70 -0.950
11 3575 SS/JA Don O'Malley, Decatur IL, '63 Corvette 10.367 11.30 -0.933
12 4120 GT/CA Chris Chaney, Claremore OK, '02 Cavalier 9.776 10.70 -0.924
13 5440 GT/I Gene Bichlmeier, Norfolk NE, '66 Chevy II 10.338 11.25 -0.912
14 5240 SS/LA Tom Meyer, Pierce NE, '66 Chevy II 10.849 11.75 -0.901
15 4563 GT/JA Vic Penrod, Walters OK, '95 Achieva 10.702 11.60 -0.898
16 5348 SS/NA Randall Klein, Lincoln NE, '56 Nomad 11.560 12.45 -0.890
17 6 SS/CS Michael Mans, Rogers MN, '00 Firebird 9.761 10.65 -0.889
18 3388 GT/GA Mark Nowicki, Gaylord MI, '98 Avenger 10.330 11.20 -0.870
19 5876 SS/MA Ron Taylor, Lincoln NE, '57 Chevy 11.285 12.15 -0.865
20 7 GT/CA Jerry Emmons, Pasadena TX, '91 Calais 9.840 10.70 -0.860
21 5205 GT/CA Jim Beuthel, Castle Rock CO, '91 Cutlass 9.845 10.70 -0.855
22 55 GT/E Jim Voth, Buhler KS, '86 Monte Carlo 9.949 10.80 -0.851
23 5088 SS/DA Mike Bogina, Olathe KS, '70 Barracuda 9.660 10.50 -0.840
24 402G GT/DA Johnny Covington, Center TX, '98 Grand Am 9.963 10.80 -0.837
25 51 GT/AA Gary Stinnett, Emporia KS, '92 Camaro 9.581 10.40 -0.819
26 5901 GT/LA Jeff Town, Spring Hill KS, '84 Regal 11.035 11.85 -0.815
27 3307 SS/GA Bill Rowe, Eureka MO, '67 Nova 10.040 10.85 -0.810
28 7702 GT/FA Mike Graham, Tempe AZ, '00 Cobra 10.292 11.10 -0.808
29 5452 SS/JA Billy Ingels, Maryville MO, '74 Trans Am 10.502 11.30 -0.798
30 2885 SS/KA David Rampy, Piedmont AL, '66 Nova 10.762 11.55 -0.788
31 3988 GT/FA Brent Voges, Defiance MO, '91 Calais 10.321 11.10 -0.779
32 5270 GT/I Tim Nicholson, Concordia KS, '66 Chevy II 10.489 11.25 -0.761
33 5010 SS/GA Scott Wagner, Shawnee Mission KS, '68 Cama 10.105 10.85 -0.745
34 5803 GT/BA Jason Tinberg, Shawnee KS, '05 Cavalier 9.817 10.55 -0.733
35 4156 SS/JA Ed Wright, Tulsa OK, '96 Trans Am 10.586 11.30 -0.714
36 4483 SS/AM John Clegg, Victoria TX, '88 Firebird 8.604 9.30 -0.696
37 339 SS/TA Pat Storey, Bradford ON, '05 Dakota 9.510 10.20 -0.690
38 428 SS/BM Kevin Helms, Belle Rose LA, '08 G5 8.973 9.65 -0.677
39 534 SS/IA Gregg Teel, Quincy IL, '67 Camaro 10.326 11.00 -0.674
40 7474 SS/CM Justin Lamb, Henderson NV, '08 Cobalt 9.143 9.80 -0.657
41 5065 SS/K Wayne Denklau, Wayne NE, '66 Chevy II 10.649 11.30 -0.651
42 4477 SS/N James Lee, Tulsa OK, '55 Chevy 11.629 12.25 -0.621
43 5149 SS/EA Phil Unruh, McPherson KS, '69 Camaro 10.045 10.65 -0.605
44 4018 SS/JA J.B. Clegg, Victoria TX, '74 Firebird 10.705 11.30 -0.595
45 6021 GT/EA Mark Faul, Tacoma WA, '98 Grand Am 10.368 10.95 -0.582
46 1781 SS/AS Dan Fletcher, Churchville NY, '69 Camaro 9.322 9.90 -0.578
47 59 GT/IA Dean Mesenbring, Rochester MN, '87 Camaro 10.955 11.50 -0.545
48 590 SS/FA Clint Neff, Westminster CO, '66 Nova 10.284 10.75 -0.466
49 5406 GT/A D.G. Gillam, Bartlesville OK, '83 Mustang 9.844 10.30 -0.456
50 5493 SS/H Don Duke, Indianola IA, '66 Nova 10.352 10.80 -0.448
51 5518 GT/C Mark Jenkins, Marysville KS, '91 Calais 10.069 10.50 -0.431
52 5462 SS/JA Scott Pearson, Stewartville MN, '70 AMX 11.051 11.30 -0.249
53 540 SS/KA Curt Hieb, Chamberlain SD, '98 Trans Am 11.366 11.55 -0.184
54 5527 GT/D Ron Doherty, Paola KS, '82 Camaro 10.497 10.65 -0.153
55 456 GT/FA Jeffrey Miller, Pasadena TX, '67 Camaro 10.959 11.10 -0.141
56 5546 GT/L Dave Smith, Kearney NE, '66 Nova 11.505 11.60 -0.095
57 4491 SS/FA Tony Wood, Tulsa OK, '68 Chevelle 10.737 10.75 -0.013
58 5113 SS/E Troy Henderson, Wichita KS, '68 Camaro 10.585 10.55 0.035
59 7809 SS/KA Gabriel Torres, LaPuente CA, '98 Firebird 11.638 11.55 0.088
60 4121 GT/EA Bryan Chaney, Claremore OK, '92 Camaro 20.572 10.95 9.622

------------ Not Qualified ------------

61 4911 SS/FA Gary Hansen, El Paso TX, '68 Dart DQ

jarn05 · 05-30-2008, 09:16 PM

68 darts never came with 440's ,the s/s world champ is running a 1968 dart with a 440 and calling it a 69.

Tony Janes · 05-30-2008, 09:23 PM

1968 GTS or a Dart 440 OK in Class Guide

Mopar Steve · 05-31-2008, 12:17 AM

Mr. Norm built '68 440 Darts.

Chris DeGidio · 05-31-2008, 10:20 PM

50 Dodge Darts were built with a 440 engine for classification in NHRA super stock class.Info is in the Mopar Performance chassis manual.

SStockDart · 06-01-2008, 08:30 PM

This is Gary Hansen......I am the one disqualified at Topeka upon tear down following the class win. At issue was the cc volume of the combustion chamber. The volume was 1/2 cc short, as per the officials there. Saturday, I took the head back and re-cc'd it with a different spark plug. It then cc'd fine, with room to spare. Enough said. I will be in Chicago next week end.

Bart Kilraine · 06-02-2008, 12:34 PM

Always thought the plug you ran with ,had to stay.I guess the times they are a changing!

Lynn A McCarty · 06-04-2008, 04:23 PM

The word I got from NHRA was that the 400 block is a legal swap for the 440. (SS only) Dont think you can do it for another combination unless you get special approval. They must maintain the original 440 main size to be legal. If you want to have a smaller main you just use a bearing spacer.

ALL SHORT DECKS are LEGAL (Super Stock only) if you use the approved block for your combination.

Man are they going to see some trapezoidal engine combos.

05-30-2008, 08:37 PM	#1
Just Observing Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 138 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? Or was there another violation? 1 2100 SS/BS Lee Sharp, Maryville TN, '05 Cavalier 8.851 10.05 -1.199 2 2093 GT/KA Bob Dennis, Shorter AL, '91 Calais 10.640 11.75 -1.110 3 2 SS/BS Peter Biondo, Maspeth NY, '08 Cobalt 8.944 10.05 -1.106 4 765 SS/L Kip Martin, Phoenix AZ, '64 Mustang 10.513 11.55 -1.037 5 5580 GT/MA Tony Shaffer, Independence MO, '80 Malibu 11.061 12.05 -0.989 6 5206 SS/MA Carroll Warling, Arvada CO, '74 Grand Am 11.174 12.15 -0.976 7 3989 SS/HA Bret Voges, Findlay OH, '67 Chevy II 9.941 10.90 -0.959 8 4147 GT/TC Robert Cruzen, Cleveland OK, '02 S-10 10.442 11.40 -0.958 9 1052 SS/DM Arnie Martel, Tewksbury MA, '08 Cobalt 9.097 10.05 -0.953 10 306 GT/CA David Tincher, Elizabethtown IN, '94 Caval 9.750 10.70 -0.950 11 3575 SS/JA Don O'Malley, Decatur IL, '63 Corvette 10.367 11.30 -0.933 12 4120 GT/CA Chris Chaney, Claremore OK, '02 Cavalier 9.776 10.70 -0.924 13 5440 GT/I Gene Bichlmeier, Norfolk NE, '66 Chevy II 10.338 11.25 -0.912 14 5240 SS/LA Tom Meyer, Pierce NE, '66 Chevy II 10.849 11.75 -0.901 15 4563 GT/JA Vic Penrod, Walters OK, '95 Achieva 10.702 11.60 -0.898 16 5348 SS/NA Randall Klein, Lincoln NE, '56 Nomad 11.560 12.45 -0.890 17 6 SS/CS Michael Mans, Rogers MN, '00 Firebird 9.761 10.65 -0.889 18 3388 GT/GA Mark Nowicki, Gaylord MI, '98 Avenger 10.330 11.20 -0.870 19 5876 SS/MA Ron Taylor, Lincoln NE, '57 Chevy 11.285 12.15 -0.865 20 7 GT/CA Jerry Emmons, Pasadena TX, '91 Calais 9.840 10.70 -0.860 21 5205 GT/CA Jim Beuthel, Castle Rock CO, '91 Cutlass 9.845 10.70 -0.855 22 55 GT/E Jim Voth, Buhler KS, '86 Monte Carlo 9.949 10.80 -0.851 23 5088 SS/DA Mike Bogina, Olathe KS, '70 Barracuda 9.660 10.50 -0.840 24 402G GT/DA Johnny Covington, Center TX, '98 Grand Am 9.963 10.80 -0.837 25 51 GT/AA Gary Stinnett, Emporia KS, '92 Camaro 9.581 10.40 -0.819 26 5901 GT/LA Jeff Town, Spring Hill KS, '84 Regal 11.035 11.85 -0.815 27 3307 SS/GA Bill Rowe, Eureka MO, '67 Nova 10.040 10.85 -0.810 28 7702 GT/FA Mike Graham, Tempe AZ, '00 Cobra 10.292 11.10 -0.808 29 5452 SS/JA Billy Ingels, Maryville MO, '74 Trans Am 10.502 11.30 -0.798 30 2885 SS/KA David Rampy, Piedmont AL, '66 Nova 10.762 11.55 -0.788 31 3988 GT/FA Brent Voges, Defiance MO, '91 Calais 10.321 11.10 -0.779 32 5270 GT/I Tim Nicholson, Concordia KS, '66 Chevy II 10.489 11.25 -0.761 33 5010 SS/GA Scott Wagner, Shawnee Mission KS, '68 Cama 10.105 10.85 -0.745 34 5803 GT/BA Jason Tinberg, Shawnee KS, '05 Cavalier 9.817 10.55 -0.733 35 4156 SS/JA Ed Wright, Tulsa OK, '96 Trans Am 10.586 11.30 -0.714 36 4483 SS/AM John Clegg, Victoria TX, '88 Firebird 8.604 9.30 -0.696 37 339 SS/TA Pat Storey, Bradford ON, '05 Dakota 9.510 10.20 -0.690 38 428 SS/BM Kevin Helms, Belle Rose LA, '08 G5 8.973 9.65 -0.677 39 534 SS/IA Gregg Teel, Quincy IL, '67 Camaro 10.326 11.00 -0.674 40 7474 SS/CM Justin Lamb, Henderson NV, '08 Cobalt 9.143 9.80 -0.657 41 5065 SS/K Wayne Denklau, Wayne NE, '66 Chevy II 10.649 11.30 -0.651 42 4477 SS/N James Lee, Tulsa OK, '55 Chevy 11.629 12.25 -0.621 43 5149 SS/EA Phil Unruh, McPherson KS, '69 Camaro 10.045 10.65 -0.605 44 4018 SS/JA J.B. Clegg, Victoria TX, '74 Firebird 10.705 11.30 -0.595 45 6021 GT/EA Mark Faul, Tacoma WA, '98 Grand Am 10.368 10.95 -0.582 46 1781 SS/AS Dan Fletcher, Churchville NY, '69 Camaro 9.322 9.90 -0.578 47 59 GT/IA Dean Mesenbring, Rochester MN, '87 Camaro 10.955 11.50 -0.545 48 590 SS/FA Clint Neff, Westminster CO, '66 Nova 10.284 10.75 -0.466 49 5406 GT/A D.G. Gillam, Bartlesville OK, '83 Mustang 9.844 10.30 -0.456 50 5493 SS/H Don Duke, Indianola IA, '66 Nova 10.352 10.80 -0.448 51 5518 GT/C Mark Jenkins, Marysville KS, '91 Calais 10.069 10.50 -0.431 52 5462 SS/JA Scott Pearson, Stewartville MN, '70 AMX 11.051 11.30 -0.249 53 540 SS/KA Curt Hieb, Chamberlain SD, '98 Trans Am 11.366 11.55 -0.184 54 5527 GT/D Ron Doherty, Paola KS, '82 Camaro 10.497 10.65 -0.153 55 456 GT/FA Jeffrey Miller, Pasadena TX, '67 Camaro 10.959 11.10 -0.141 56 5546 GT/L Dave Smith, Kearney NE, '66 Nova 11.505 11.60 -0.095 57 4491 SS/FA Tony Wood, Tulsa OK, '68 Chevelle 10.737 10.75 -0.013 58 5113 SS/E Troy Henderson, Wichita KS, '68 Camaro 10.585 10.55 0.035 59 7809 SS/KA Gabriel Torres, LaPuente CA, '98 Firebird 11.638 11.55 0.088 60 4121 GT/EA Bryan Chaney, Claremore OK, '92 Camaro 20.572 10.95 9.622 ------------ Not Qualified ------------ 61 4911 SS/FA Gary Hansen, El Paso TX, '68 Dart DQ

05-30-2008, 09:16 PM	#2
jarn05 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? 68 darts never came with 440's ,the s/s world champ is running a 1968 dart with a 440 and calling it a 69.

05-30-2008, 09:23 PM	#3
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? 1968 GTS or a Dart 440 OK in Class Guide __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

05-31-2008, 12:17 AM	#4
Mopar Steve Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 92 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? Mr. Norm built '68 440 Darts.

05-31-2008, 10:20 PM	#5
Chris DeGidio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 364 Likes: 8 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? 50 Dodge Darts were built with a 440 engine for classification in NHRA super stock class.Info is in the Mopar Performance chassis manual. __________________ Nautilus Racing

06-01-2008, 08:30 PM	#6
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 879 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? This is Gary Hansen......I am the one disqualified at Topeka upon tear down following the class win. At issue was the cc volume of the combustion chamber. The volume was 1/2 cc short, as per the officials there. Saturday, I took the head back and re-cc'd it with a different spark plug. It then cc'd fine, with room to spare. Enough said. I will be in Chicago next week end.

06-02-2008, 12:34 PM	#7
Bart Kilraine Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrolltown,PA Posts: 118 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? Always thought the plug you ran with ,had to stay.I guess the times they are a changing!

06-04-2008, 04:23 PM	#8
Lynn A McCarty Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plainfield (INDY) Indiana Posts: 468 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Did NHRA Finally throw out a 440 with a 400 block? The word I got from NHRA was that the 400 block is a legal swap for the 440. (SS only) Dont think you can do it for another combination unless you get special approval. They must maintain the original 440 main size to be legal. If you want to have a smaller main you just use a bearing spacer. ALL SHORT DECKS are LEGAL (Super Stock only) if you use the approved block for your combination. Man are they going to see some trapezoidal engine combos. __________________ Lynn A McCarty 3470 SS Last edited by Lynn A McCarty; 06-04-2008 at 04:49 PM.