HP on Monday?

Kevin Panzino · 02-24-2025, 11:57 PM

Larry, help me understand how ?they got it figured out? ?
There is no 1.3 under run on the books, period. Final qual sheet shows 1.144 under. Yet there is the notice on nhra page of a 15 hp hit for a 1.3 under run for that combo.
So which one is it? An on the books 1.3 under run which of course results in the hit, or a 1.144 under run?
How can there be the hit without the run being counted?

Larry Hill · 02-25-2025, 10:31 AM

Look at post 6. This is what I gathered from live timing and a copy of Q2 Stock sheet on Jim S Facebook page. It has a time stamp of 2:xx pm showing low et of 10.85 sec. by Kevin.
Did anyone notice the price of lead futures yesterday?

jeff_kovalik · 02-25-2025, 11:38 AM

right at the top!

https://www.nhra.com/results/2025/lu...-eliminator/q2

pmrphil · 02-25-2025, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff_kovalik

right at the top!

https://www.nhra.com/results/2025/lu...-eliminator/q2

But it was posted on here that he got bounced for fuel, so how can the run still count for anything?
Final Q sheet does not list it.

GUMP · 02-25-2025, 02:31 PM

It counts just like a one second under run counts when fuel and or scales are closed.....

Dan Fahey · 02-25-2025, 03:49 PM

Stunning 1.3 under with a 350/255 H/SA.

Most good H/SA are 11.20's on a 12.15 index.

Did NHRA conduct a Tear Down?

Larry Hill · 02-25-2025, 03:57 PM

You can be to light for the class or to heavy for the class. The car has to fit between a minimum weight and a maximum weight either one will get the run DQ.

Cglrcng · 02-25-2025, 09:04 PM

The AHFS was triggered with the clocks at 1.300 under index (as the AHFS rules state "any run of 1.30 Under Index" shall trigger an immediate HP Reducution or Increase. Regardless of any possible fuel, weight check, or teardown or other DQ or anything else that happened after that trigger point. He did it, it happened, and the AHFS takes over from there. Any possible rules infractions don't change the AHFS triggering which is pretty much plain as day. The added HP is also spelled out in the formula and immediate.

NHRA posting (publication on nhraracer.com), is just a formality and notification to the rest of the world at
large, as multiple events can occur at different locations at the same time.

The Final Q sheet and ladder may, or may not contain DQ'd (or even
successive Qualifying/Class Ladders in
a case I know of), or withdrawn racers
(competitors), originally entered during
a specific event. As they are usually
removed from further competition.

If a particular pass is disallowed (weight/fuel), but the competitor is not removed from competition, as far as the
AHFS violation (more a trigger point for
Immediate action as required by the AHFS rules), the pass still exists, does it not?

I hope and pray the above comments about certain substances was posted in jest and purely misplaced sarcasm. Please tell me it was.

I found that out last April.

02-24-2025, 11:57 PM	#1
Kevin Panzino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 576 Likes: 298 Liked 748 Times in 137 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Larry, help me understand how ?they got it figured out? ? There is no 1.3 under run on the books, period. Final qual sheet shows 1.144 under. Yet there is the notice on nhra page of a 15 hp hit for a 1.3 under run for that combo. So which one is it? An on the books 1.3 under run which of course results in the hit, or a 1.144 under run? How can there be the hit without the run being counted?

02-25-2025, 10:31 AM	#2
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,720 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Look at post 6. This is what I gathered from live timing and a copy of Q2 Stock sheet on Jim S Facebook page. It has a time stamp of 2:xx pm showing low et of 10.85 sec. by Kevin. Did anyone notice the price of lead futures yesterday? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

02-25-2025, 11:38 AM	#3
jeff_kovalik Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Ohio Posts: 55 Likes: 307 Liked 186 Times in 30 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? right at the top! https://www.nhra.com/results/2025/lu...-eliminator/q2 Attached Thumbnails

02-25-2025, 02:31 PM	#5
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,823 Likes: 2,168 Liked 2,354 Times in 554 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? It counts just like a one second under run counts when fuel and or scales are closed..... __________________ Daren Poole-Adams NHRA Stock/SS 2007

02-25-2025, 03:49 PM	#6
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? Stunning 1.3 under with a 350/255 H/SA. Most good H/SA are 11.20's on a 12.15 index. Did NHRA conduct a Tear Down?

02-25-2025, 03:57 PM	#7
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,720 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? You can be to light for the class or to heavy for the class. The car has to fit between a minimum weight and a maximum weight either one will get the run DQ. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

02-25-2025, 09:04 PM	#8
Cglrcng Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Kingman, AZ Posts: 411 Likes: 1,589 Liked 334 Times in 185 Posts	Re: HP on Monday? The AHFS was triggered with the clocks at 1.300 under index (as the AHFS rules state "any run of 1.30 Under Index" shall trigger an immediate HP Reducution or Increase. Regardless of any possible fuel, weight check, or teardown or other DQ or anything else that happened after that trigger point. He did it, it happened, and the AHFS takes over from there. Any possible rules infractions don't change the AHFS triggering which is pretty much plain as day. The added HP is also spelled out in the formula and immediate. NHRA posting (publication on nhraracer.com), is just a formality and notification to the rest of the world at large, as multiple events can occur at different locations at the same time. The Final Q sheet and ladder may, or may not contain DQ'd (or even successive Qualifying/Class Ladders in a case I know of), or withdrawn racers (competitors), originally entered during a specific event. As they are usually removed from further competition. If a particular pass is disallowed (weight/fuel), but the competitor is not removed from competition, as far as the AHFS violation (more a trigger point for Immediate action as required by the AHFS rules), the pass still exists, does it not? I hope and pray the above comments about certain substances was posted in jest and purely misplaced sarcasm. Please tell me it was. I found that out last April. __________________ Gary Lucier - 7832 STK. / 7832 E.T. EF/S Slow Sled. I am, but a simple test of your true patience. So, do all the really "Big Wheelies" you can!