New - Lots of Questions. Help me understand S&SS

[LemonWedge]

Originally Posted by ken robinson

The class combo is like a heads up , it's how far under your index you can run and your reaction time . The tree start will handy cap off the index split of the 2 cars ( just like a bracket race slower leaves first ) . Do you have a copy of nitro joe's ? In Div 1 there are a few BB mopars that run very well. If your car has bin tubed for big tires super stock is your best option. And 8 under isn't a bad please to start .

Is it off the index split, or a dial-in on the car?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by LemonWedge

Is it off the index split, or a dial-in on the car?

Index

[LemonWedge]

Originally Posted by 4406mopar

Your car is mini tubbed so stock eliminator is out.

Very familiar with BB mopar bracket engines is great, but doesn't mean much for stock or SS racing.
Different as night and day.

There are many good running cars on the west coast in all classes A-H, and a few notables in I-M so you won't go very far with a slow car.

SS is just cubic dollars to run far under. Lots of RPM.

What do you get for setting a national record? About 9 horsepower. LOL

Or stay with bracket racing, money ahead.

Sounds negative, but trying to be realistic.

I didn't even get to the entry fees going up and purses not following, and contingencies going away or no payment. Then the amount of time off work needed to attend races.

This sounds like the truth. I do NOT have cubic dollars. Bracket racing is fun. But like most car guys, I?m constantly looking for the next thing. Lots of good suggestions here.
So if I?m looking at this correctly, a 1967 Satellite had a shipping weight of 3534. The 383 four barrel, advertised at 325, is factored at 290 with stock 516 heads. This means the weight break number is 12.18, which slots the combo into SS/K, which is an index of 11.25. To be competitive at all, I’d have to have that combo solidly into the 10?s. That seems crazy to me. With stock heads and a 625 cfm AFB.

Also, Am I correct that under the GT class, you can run an engine combination from another year, such as a 440 six barrel setup in a 1967 chassis??

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by LemonWedge

This sounds like the truth. I do NOT have cubic dollars. Bracket racing is fun.

Then forget this foolishness.

But like most car guys, I?m constantly looking for the next thing.

Until you've won multiple big $ gambler races like the Flings and the Million, "the next thing" is still waiting for you to accomplish and even then, the best racers in the country are still out their every weekend bracket racing NOT class racing, including the guy that has won the biggest payday in ALL of drag racing.

[james schaechter]

First of all. Welcome to the classracer forum! It is always great to have other racers see stock/superstock and consider taking the plunge! The more the merrier!

This forum has a lot of folks that have been in your shoes and chose to jump in and race stock or superstock so this is a great first step. I would add to the suggestions from those that have class racing experience here. My brother and I bought a 69 Camaro bracket car once and converted it to a SSBS car. Everything in that car was used except the gas and oil! It was a fun car and it took quite a lot of work to reach the index and finally to run under, but we had fun and learned it by taking that journey.

I would research the car to ensure it can fit a category or can be modified to fit on a reasonable fashion first.
Then consider the best fit for a drivetrain that you are interested in and will fit your plans for expenses.
Keep in mind, very few people shoot for the class winner or record setting combo at first.

It is more about at least being able to run the index.

The path you choose as what’s next is entirely up to you of course, not anyone else.

If you can connect with a person or persons at a points meet near you, that would be helpful. Most that run stock super stock can provide a lot of context to the written word of the rule book.

One thing to consider also is FGT. That class would allow an older style car like yours to run different and more modern combinations. There is a real good 360 Mopar engine combo that fits and would not break the bank.

The 383 sounds pretty cool, but I don?t know how reasonable it is to build from a cost standpoint.
I do know that building an index player is going to be many thousands less $$$ than a max effort.

For me, I have always enjoyed working on my cars to make them quicker and faster. Basically more efficient compared to others in my class.

It isn?t for everyone, but I would encourage you to do some research and meet some of the racers in person and see the cars up close. People are very willing to show off their cars.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

First of all. Welcome to the classracer forum! People are very willing to show off there cars.

First of all, your welcome to him is about 8 years too late but you nor most here cared about his posts then and only reply now because he’s asking about stock eliminator which is car is not legal for.

Second, most won’t tell him honestly how much money it cost to build their can no mind how much it cost per year to maintain and those that are actually winning races and championships also won’t state the truth as to how much time, effort and money it cost them to be at the top of the game no mind how long it took them to get there.

[Jared Jordan]

You can run the 440-6 or any other combo you like in the GT classes. If the later model Drag Pak engines are your thing you can run FGT. I’d think there’s enough guys running those throughout the country that you’d be able to find a reasonably priced, gently used piece that’ll get you in the game.

Don’t listen to the forum troll, either. If he really thought class racing is as bad as he says he’d find somewhere else to cry about all his “haters.”

[JP1738]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

First of all, your welcome to him is about 8 years too late but you nor most here cared about his posts then and only reply now because he?s asking about stock eliminator which is car is not legal for.

It's almost like classracer users want to engage with people who are actually interested in class racing. hmmm

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Second, most won?t tell him honestly how much money it cost to build their can no mind how much it cost per year to maintain and those that are actually winning races and championships also won?t state the truth as to how much time, effort and money it cost them to be at the top of the game no mind how long it took them to get there.

I've got about 14k in my program (10 for the car and engine parts, 2 for engine assembly, and 2 for miscellaneous parts I had to acquire to get the car race ready. I already had a trailer and tools, which it sounds like this fellow does as well), for clarity. I'm not the fastest, but I'm under my index and far enough down in the alphabet that heads up runs are not something I'm worried about. Having an absolute blast and just started a year ago.

Entry fees are around $200 +/- $20 depending on which division you run in. Payout is not amazing for the price, around $2k to win with $100 per paying contingency sticker on the car at divisionals, $300 per sticker at nationals. I won a national event in S/G in 2023, was not stickered up great, and still cleared about $4500 (and a really awesome wally).

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by LemonWedge

This sounds like the truth. I do NOT have cubic dollars. Bracket racing is fun. But like most car guys, I?m constantly looking for the next thing. Lots of good suggestions here.
So if I?m looking at this correctly, a 1967 Satellite had a shipping weight of 3534. The 383 four barrel, advertised at 325, is factored at 290 with stock 516 heads. This means the weight break number is 12.18, which slots the combo into SS/K, which is an index of 11.25. To be competitive at all, I?d have to have that combo solidly into the 10?s. That seems crazy to me. With stock heads and a 625 cfm AFB.

Also, Am I correct that under the GT class, you can run an engine combination from another year, such as a 440 six barrel setup in a 1967 chassis??

The 915 small valve is a better head than the 516 for stock, in SS the Stg5 head is probably the best option.The 60s 383 AFB which is the same as the 426 Street Wedge can work in Stock but it's a bit too small for any real power in SS. I have tested 2 of them on my flow bench and they flowed 566 and 582, I'm guessing their original rating was 575, the 582 one with a large 65 Monaco air cleaner base flowed 598 CFM. The 440 would need a full cage in SS as a GTX or in GT. If you don't have a cage the 70-71 383 would be best for GT as it can fit GT/LA which is not typically a very populated class. The AVS can flow close to 650 with a good base and the 383 Holleys that I checked were 724 and 746 without putting a base on them, both have the same HP rating in SS with GT being a bit higher. None of these will go .8 under without great heads, big money, Pro trans etc. The 70 383 will go under the index in GT with good heads, intake and ideal cam.

[GTX JOHN]

I have done fairly well with my Superstock Aspen
SS/LA and SS/MA. It usually runs a couple tenths or
less under the index.

However, it always runs at least the index.
I do not remember every having a Heads Up
race in eliminations the last fifteen years. They are few
and far between. It was the late Larry Harroll racecar
that I bought with the engine apart for $3,500.00 from his
Widow after it had been sitting for decades.

As long as you can run the index in bad weather or a strong head
wind there is absolutely no imperative to go any faster except
your personal drive.

My son Jon runs SS/KA in his Duster and may get a heads up
in eliminations once a year. He actually welcomes them but
they are still scarce and hard to find.

John Winslow for many years has run a 426 in SS/JA with good
success and it is saddled with the small Carter and a bigger engine.
than the 383.

There are some workarounds to improve that carb but you would
need to call me in private for info.