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Old 05-30-2008, 01:40 AM   #1
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No they most certainly weren't elected to use their "good judgement". They were elected to be a united voice to carry the view of the racers to the sanctioning body. These racer reps were elected based on knowledge of the sport, integrity and honesty. Not as a rule making board in any shape, form or fashion.
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:59 AM   #2
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Great start....my hat is off to the council members....lowering the index -.20 is a start...I would have voted for -.50

NOW...lets get back to 'real' racing - class style
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Old 05-30-2008, 05:14 AM   #3
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Maybe NHRA could set up a link or e mail link fo reach rep that could be accessed on their page by all to help with the communication?
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:52 AM   #4
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I spoke to Evan Smith the D-1 rep at Maple Grove. We had a nice discussion, he listened, asked questions and was very open to racer concerns. Be proactive and talk to your rep in person, let them know what you think not what you want. They were were elected to represent everyone's points of view not be a lacky or berated because they do not vote as we wish. Great start with lowering the indexes, most racers are holding 1-3 tenths, this is suppose to be a performance class.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:21 AM   #5
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Default Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers

First off, we're going on hearsay that something actually happened, AND that whatever happened is final and binding. We don't know anything, and nothing has been announced.

Second, I think if you look on the NHRA site, you'll find NHRA not only announced the members, but also posted their email addresses, or some other method of contact. I'll go look and see if I can find it, and post it here.

I found it, posted plainly on the Lucas Oil section of the NHRA site: http://www.nhra.com/content/news/26601.htm
http://www.nhra.com/content/news/27403.htm

Third, it is YOUR job to tell them what you want, it is not their job to contact you as an individual and ask you. Even your paid GOVERNMENT representatives that make thousands of dollars don't do that.

Fourth, several of those elected have posted here, and not only stated their opinion, but asked for yours. They have participated in threads you posted about your concerns.

Fifth, everyone has their own definition of "due diligence". I doubt anyone could satisfy some people's definition of "due diligence".

Sixth, this is a relatively new and untested concept, it will take some refining, and some work, both by the council members and especially by the racers. If you don't work at it, you can't expect others to make up the difference. Start calling it a failure right now, and see if NHRA doesn't either abolish it, or ignore it, and it'll be right back to some nameless faceless entity making decisions for you, and they'll be doing it without any input, and without any responsibility to you.

Seventh, if you're assuming that every decision is going to go your way simply because a group of racers makes it, you're going to be sadly disappointed.

Eighth, finally, I don't think you really WANT people who have nothing to do but post polls and try to find you personally to ask you what you want, because they don't exist, and because even if they did, I doubt anyone like that would see things the way the average racer would any way.

In any event, now I posted links to the announcements and the lists of your SRAC members and their contact information, so if you have issues or concerns and you don't contact them, it is your fault they don't know what you think, want, or don't want. Take the time to let them know how you feel, they'll listen, if you give them a chance.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:32 AM   #6
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Default Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers

Now hold on , lets find out what the reps have to say here, before we all get up in arms . I know I voted for the rep in my div., based on my own feelings that they would do the best for us all. Lets get some word from them, before lighting any fires. We all have an interest in this, not just a few .
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:29 AM   #7
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Great start with lowering the indexes, most racers are holding 1-3 tenths, this is suppose to be a performance class.
If you lower all the indexes by one full second, the qualifying order doesn't change. It's all relative.
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:37 AM   #8
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Michael -Very good point, however if the indexes were lowered a few tenths we could go back to flat out class racing and stop sandbagging .............
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:47 AM   #9
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Revolution? Ha! nhra loves revolutions! They'll swat you like a lonely fly. Great guys - I'm sure!

Taking .20 off the indexes does nothing to the racers who are not as fast as others. We are runnning in 80 to 90 car fields at nationals; with the exception of Indy.
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:52 AM   #10
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first of all... i cannot find fredjohnston on a current qualifying sheet ???

second - i (for one) asked & agree with the index reduction... unless you are under 25, or ignorant to the history of the class you race you KNOW nhra last RAISED the indexes (1980something) and since then have been doling out FREE ET with enhancements like the government spends money... if you cant run the index you probably cant change you own oil... besides we all thought it was a done deal last season we even ran off new indexes at ohio valley doorslammers last october but it wasnt an across the board reduction which i think it should be.

third - as far as RULE (not index) changes my hopes were that a sportsman council would squash all the internet whiners and intelligent heads would prevail and STOP changing a rule every week... im tired of everyone who thinks because they want a rule changed (or better yet they already are breaking one and want us to wrap our arms around it) it is thier RIGHT to have the rules fit thier agenda.

last - we have a pretty good group here...it cant be any worse than glendora's bull****.

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