index lowering

[Andy Friar]

Originally Posted by AveryMcLawhorn

Hey Herbie shoot me a message on what exactly you want to see and I will be happy to show for the group. My biggest point ever is we live in a data world and should make data driven decisions.

Along the lines of data, I have always wondered what the number of heads up runs is a year, in STK and SS. Compared the total number of eliminations runs. Div and Nat events.

How many events this year were full fields that had DNQ's? Indy, BG and the Columbus Sportsnationals, or did I screw that up?

[Bpozzi]

?Work on your combo? - you mean write a check to an engine builder for 30-40k for a fast stocker engine that makes 500-600hp. There are alot of smart business men on this forum, at a certain point , this is a dumb proposition? But also , shut up with the work on your combo stuff. Unless you built your car and engine from the ground up - you wrote a check and congrats but that doesn?t entitle you to look down on others

?This is a performance based class? - you are correct , but in stock eliminator we?re basically allowed a valve job, so why do heads cost between 10-12k ?? It?s turned into who can hide their work the best aka spend the most money, it?s not a performance based class any longer , it?s a check book class

I understand the people that have money want to do what they want to do and you spent the money. But what?s the point if the class dwindled down ? If there was actual tech officials to regulate these classes I?d say it?s a performance based class still, but NHRA has squeezed that out.

How about we start the phrase ?work on your driving?. If you want to go fast to be #1 qualifier (to make that $200 check lmao) and to win heads up runs , that?s your right - but don?t crush the class and sport because you want all the bye runs 🤷🏻*♂️

[AveryMcLawhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy Friar

Along the lines of data, I have always wondered what the number of heads up runs is a year, in STK and SS. Compared the total number of eliminations runs. Div and Nat events.

How many events this year were full fields that had DNQ's? Indy, BG and the Columbus Sportsnationals, or did I screw that up?

Note my data is not absolute and missing some runs and events. But should give a good overall perspective on the percentage of runs. In my data I have the following information.

Total Class and Elimination Runs: 4179 runs
Total Elimination Runs: 3732 runs
Total Class Runs: 447 Runs
Total Heads Up Eliminations: 58 Runs or 29 Heads Up Matches

Not a lot of you think about it. I am sure there are people out there with better data than I but this gives a good perspective for super stock.

[Andy Friar]

Originally Posted by AveryMcLawhorn

Note my data is not absolute and missing some runs and events. But should give a good overall perspective on the percentage of runs. In my data I have the following information.

Total Class and Elimination Runs: 4179 runs
Total Elimination Runs: 3732 runs
Total Class Runs: 447 Runs
Total Heads Up Eliminations: 58 Runs or 29 Heads Up Matches

Not a lot of you think about it. I am sure there are people out there with better data than I but this gives a good perspective for super stock.

Huge thanks!! That is indeed a small % of total runs. Gives an interesting perspective IMO.

[JP1738]

It is my understanding that AHFS was created and used for getting particularly advantageous combinations back in line with other combinations in the same class. So that A/SA was not littered exclusively by 1st generation Camaros, but so that all combos that were eligible to run A/SA overtime would fall in to line with one-another and those that put in the time and effort to excel would be able to do so, while others with less funds or without the same work ethic would fall behind. I'm good with that, it seems fair. Cars that can more easily take advantage of, or benefit more from rules changes or technology improvements should be penalized as different combos in the same class cannot keep up as the improvements given to some combinations are not viable for others. As I said, that seems to be the purpose of the AHFS.

It was not designed to punish those of you who work extremely hard and spend 10s of thousands of $$ on your program to make it quicker, qualify better, win class, and win heads up races should you have one. That is why the AHFS uses an aggregate average of every car in the country running that combination. If one person is excelling in that combination while others toil and struggle, that person should be rewarded for their hard work and dedication by being left alone, while the others are not punished for working hard to get under the index at all, like myself. To my understanding, that is the AHFS system in essence.

The artificial lowering of indexes makes no sense to me. Not only does it substantially raise the cost of entering the sport, but it rewards combinations that, if left alone, would be given HP and fall back into line with other combinations in their class.

If indexes had been lowered before this past season, I would never have built my stocker to begin with as a 24 year-old (25 now) on a shoe string budget. I believe the fastest I went all year this past year was MAYBE -.35 under and I had a ball. I hope they don't remove me from competition.

[Mark Lewis]

All lowering the indexes does is keep people like Dawson from competing. It also makes NHRA job easier by not policing the combo's that need HP adjustments whether up or down.
That's my take. People that qualify high will still be there, just not the bigger number under. Been there done that

Mark Lewis

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Mark Lewis

All lowering the indexes does is keep people like Dawson from competing. It also makes NHRA job easier by not policing the combo's that need HP adjustments whether up or down.
That's my take. People that qualify high will still be there, just not the bigger number under. Been there done that

Mark Lewis

This pretty much says it all Mark!