index lowering

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Imagine getting a service call to fix the Ice Cream machine at McDonalds..

You show up, turn up the heat on the Coffee Maker while walking right past the broken Ice Cream machine..


If the fast guys are lobbying to NhRa to go faster without penalty then move the trigger and be done with it. The slower, low budget guys aren?t going to give a 💩.

[El Duderino]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

they're not which is why I stated

This is going to die, the only question that remains is when. My guess in 10-15 years you'll have less than half the class racers you do today. What little new blood interested in drag racing, are going bracket racing where at least they have a chance of winning money that will allow them to be more competitive. Further they don't have to deal with NHRA's rules nor take a week off of work to compete at a 3 day event where you spend most of that time doing no racing.

This topic is for people who actually race Stock/Superstock and are impacted by the proposed index changes. It is not intended for a small troll that has a .90 car that sits in the garage

[RKelliher]

I now a lot of racers who work hard on their combos.they also spend a lot of money to go fast. But there is a large amount of racers who buy enhanced cylinder heads and enhanced intake manifolds which are illegal, but since NHRA mostly got rid of tech inspections,they do what they want. Don't lower indexes to please these people.It will drive the low buck racers out.If they want to go fast with little penalty go to comp.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

I get your point Herbie, I have the favorable LT1 SS car that it would be nice to be able to turn it loose but on the other side my Stocker with the 350 TPI flattop is not a player anymore because some ding dongs decided they wanted to show it off. I'd be all for lowering the indexes if I can have my 18 HP back on the Stocker lol

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Our division 7 rep is polling at the Vegas race and the word is AHFS would stay the same.
Many agree that AHFS has hurt Stock & Super Stock, and that indexes have not kept pace with technology advances and and rules changes.
Lowering indexes will reduce the impact of AHFS. I think that's a good thing

One thing that definitely needs lowered with the AHFS is the .65 under run to count towards the engine average. Right now almost half of the cars out there don?t make a run that counts. If you keep it at .65, that?s like raising it to .85. I suggested it be returned to .35 under.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Sam Capizzi Jr

I totally agree with this. I like watching someone run a mile under the index just as much as the next guy. I also have no problem if I get hooked in heads up and get out run by the guy next to me. That?s on me and my program to get faster. When I was actively racing the stocker, I had a few heads up races,I got my *** busted, took my licks and went home. It?s not the end of the world


Maybe get rid of the whole damn AFHS system and just raise the review? trigger?. At the end of the year, have the stock and superstock committee guys review any runs or combos that are a problem.

Great reply Sam! More of these racers need your attitude!!!

[Ron Ortiz]

Raise the indexes three tenths for the slower cars, and lower the index three tenth for the faster ones. Set the trigger at two seconds and have at it.

or

Have everybody go to the barn.

[Rory McNeil]

Wouldn`t it be great, if before any combination got a HP hit, that the person that caused the hit, was torn down to ensure that his car was 100% legal? An across the board lowering of all the indexes would effect some combinations much more than others, not every combination is allowed to benefit from the use of "approved" aftermarket aluminum cylinder heads, aftermarket carbs, optional camshafts etc. Nor do other "enhancements" help all combinations the same, roller rocker arms, wheelie bars, lightweight racing seats, fuel cells etc, don`t help much if you are running some non mainstream low RPM, 2 barrel engine with a crappy intake manifold and cylinder heads. Some combos, like 396s, can build a "legal" Stocker engine, and not use virtually a single OE factory installed GM part in the engine. Many others can not use anything that was not used on the combination when it rolled of the assembly line. It would be nice if there was still a little bit of "stock" in Stock Eliminator.

[Randy Guest]

Leave the index's alone NHRA needs to let the fast cars go fast without penalties raise the ATFS to at least 130-140 because the fast cars and deep pockets are always going to be in racing and with the non-existence of tear downs at races it's not fair to the guys that what to go race and have fun in class racing. I'm not bad mouthing any one in stock but let the guys that don't what to spend every dime they have or don't have. And yes you can work on your combination and pick up your car no doubt about it. But going really fast costs lots of money!

[Kirk Morgan]

My plan is to go Super Stock racing next year. It seems to me that its easier to slow a car down than it is to speed it up. That being said i whish i had that problem when i was racing my Fairlane. We did build a 352 CJ car and slowing it down was a breeze. I think if you take a poll the majority of the racers would say leave the index*s alone. I do agree with lowering the number that counts toward the average.