ET with and without wheelie.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

AGAIN, for those that don't understand how the timing system works and we know there are many here, just ask them how autostart works and for those that failed basic math...

if you get to the 60 foot clocks slower and you WILL, breaking the beam with any part of the car behind the front tires no mind the back tires, you WILL run a slower ET!

Ed, what does the 60' beam being broken by any part of the car other than the front tire have to do with your overall E.T.? IF the car is staged in the same spot and everything else about the run remains consistent? If the car isn't "bothered" by more or less of a wheelstand then the E.T. difference between the staging beam and the finish line beam has nothing to do with the 60' beam.
A "wheelstand" is nothing more than a residual effect of traction, power and acceleration. The proper control of a "wheelstand" will create the best E.T..

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ed, what does the 60' beam being broken by any part of the car other than the front tire have to do with your overall E.T.? IF the car is staged in the same spot and everything else about the run remains consistent? If the car isn't "bothered" by more or less of a wheelstand then the E.T. difference between the staging beam and the finish line beam has nothing to do with the 60' beam.
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what you lose or gain in 60 foot directly effects the ET!

That said, I invite you to come to Numidia next season on a bracket day and I'll show what the change in 60 foot does to the ET. I'll launch wheels up, breaking the 60 foot with the back tires and the next pass I'll tighten the front shocks up all the way launching with the front wheels just off the track. My car doesn't need to wheelie to dead hook, it will hook in a puddle!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

what you lose or gain in 60 foot directly effects the ET!

That said, I invite you to come to Numidia next season on a bracket day and I'll show what the change in 60 foot does to the ET. I'll launch wheels up, breaking the 60 foot with the back tires and the next pass I'll tighten the front shocks up all the way launching with the front wheels just off the track. My car doesn't need to wheelie to dead hook, it will hook in a puddle!

Daren, that's a very good explanation.

Ed, again you're talking about YOUR car. It's not a bracket car and it's not a SS car and what YOU are doing to YOUR car works for YOU.
In a Stocker (not necessarily a SS car) with a Powerglide you can get "60' crazy". If you shift the car too high and the converter locks up OR you have too much low gear in the trans and you don't have enough wheel speed yet, it can "stagger" the car. Make it hesitate on the shift. A lot (not all) Racers with PGs try and shift the car low enough to "flash" the converter again. Especially in bad air.
In a Stocker with a PG, 60' times are irrelevant.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ed, again you're talking about YOUR car. It's not a bracket car and it's not a SS car.

My car IS A super stock car that since late 2008 has been bracket raced launched off both the foot brake and trans brake. Further it?s also been raced very successfully as a S/ST car, finishing #2 in the division.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

My car IS A super stock car that since late 2008 has been bracket raced launched off both the foot brake and trans brake. Further it?s also been raced very successfully as a S/ST car, finishing #2 in the division.

So you're going to run SS at the Dutch?

Only #2? The only year that I ran S/ST I won the division and never did it again. I went on to SS the following year where I finished #3 in the Division. SS is hard.

I'd like to apologize to the Real Racers on here if this sounds like bragging. I generally try not to do that.

[1320racer]

Billy, you are attempting to brag but failing miserably. Now if you a "real racer" would like to compare racing accomplishments as in money, Wallys and championships won over the last 6 years, I'm game! We got one win that by itself is more $ than you've won in your entire racing career!

[Billy Nees]

Watch where you're going with this Ed. Let's say over the last 40-45 years and let's adjust winnings for inflation and I'm good. In fact, let's make it for our best 10 years just to be fair.
Just one more thing, no "We". This is you and me not you and your son (who is a very fine young Racer) and whoever is parked within 100 yards of you.
OBTW, when we start counting the Wallys, we're not talking about the Wallys that they give away at your local track. We're talking about the Wallys that you win the hard way. And we are talking about YOUR Wallys.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Billy, you are attempting to brag but failing miserably. Now if you a "real racer" would like to compare racing accomplishments as in money, Wallys and championships won over the last 6 years, I'm game! We got one win that by itself is more $ than you've won in your entire racing career!

Ed, THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ was your challenge!
Were the last 6 years your best?
I'll compare your best 6 years to my best 6 years Wallys to Wallys, Championships to Championships and Dollar to Dollar adjusted for inflation.

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

what you lose or gain in 60 foot directly effects the ET!

Strange thing, I can understand what Ed and everyone else is saying and I think both sides are right. If you pick up or lose 60ft you should pick up or lose incremental and total down track as long as everything else remains the same, such as tune up and weather.
I think Ed's version of changing 60ft times relates to his shock settings, other guys I'm not sure of?
I'll add my own experience from last weekend where a timing change picked up my 60ft from 1.40 to 1.37 but the finish line et and mph were slightly slower.

[James Hensler]

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

Strange thing, I can understand what Ed and everyone else is saying and I think both sides are right. If you pick up or lose 60ft you should pick up or lose incremental and total down track as long as everything else remains the same, such as tune up and weather.
I think Ed's version of changing 60ft times relates to his shock settings, other guys I'm not sure of?
I'll add my own experience from last weekend where a timing change picked up my 60ft from 1.40 to 1.37 but the finish line et and mph were slightly slower.

That?s because to shortened the track. Try deep staging one time and see how much ET and MPH you lose.