Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

[1320racer]

Correct but unlike most of the comments here, I applauded those guys, they played the gray area of the rule book and will continue to do so!

As the OP stated...

Originally Posted by Joseph Lily

Much more successful to cheat and win and pay the fine.

[Frank Castros]

You willingness to cheat to win displays a total lack of integrity and says much about your character as a man.

[1320racer]

As previously stated...

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

No doubt, because you're incapable to winning straight up.

You can say the same about many of your heros and competitors

[Larry Hill]

My disappointment is with the punishment or lack of.

[1320racer]

why?

The NHRA fined them as they saw fit, docked them points and changed the pulley size. Racing goes on!!

But

1. It doesn't effect you.
2. you don't race that class.
3. you have no say in how the NHRA conducts business.

There are no victims here only willing participants.

That said, I've learned long ago that we are here for a good time, not a long time and I'm not going to waste my time, my life trying to change things I think are wrong, especially if it doesn't effect me directly!

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

why?

The NHRA fined them as they saw fit, docked them points and changed the pulley size. Racing goes on!!

But

1. It doesn't effect you.
2. you don't race that class.
3. you have no say in how the NHRA conducts business.

There are no victims here only willing participants.

That said, I've learned long ago that we are here for a good time, not a long time and I'm not going to waste my time, my life trying to change things I think are wrong, especially if it doesn't effect me directly!

Yes this does affect us
Nhra has gotten soft as they explained that there not looking to throw out people
Here?s the problem Ed
Rule is rules they should be followed
The old standard was you got some time off for blatant illegal offenses
6 months to one year
Nhra is not policing at that standard anymore
So is the same standard for us common folks ?
Who pay professional engine builders to make sure we are good
The factory on x and shootout classes are sportsman classes
I feel bad for anyone who lost to these cars that were caught
Carry on

[1320racer]

James, while I agree with your comments about the NHRA, we'll agree to disagree that this particular rules infraction in this class and NHRA's response to it, effects you.

That said, I don't feel bad for anyone that lost to these guys/cars, as I stated, there are no victims here only willing participants. Do you think the next time they are in the opposite lane anyone of their competitors is going to refuse to run them? The answer is not one!

[Mike Gray]

I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine?
Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty.

NHRA Technical Specifications
For
2019 Chevrolet Motors


Issued: 1/26/19 PC
Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023

HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes



600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A

630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A

Notes

3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth

4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth

[SSDA Hemi]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Do you think the next time they are in the opposite lane anyone of their competitors is going to refuse to run them? The answer is not one!

Wrong Ed. Geoff Turk/ Alex Laughlin is one.

This went on for a year and a half and clearly an NHRA tech mishandling of the situation which affects all of us. Why they chose to save face now is anyones guess. Seeing the lack of integrity displayed by too many racers and NHRA's refusal to enforce the rules , I do believe in what Geoff did. United we stand, divided we fall. The only thing NHRA seems to care about is their wallet

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Correct but unlike most of the comments here, I applauded those guys, they played the gray area of the rule book and will continue to do so!

As the OP stated...

Hey Ed (1320racer), can you please point out that gray area in the NHRA Rulebook those guys found and played in (the specific age and section number please, as all I see is either black writing on white pages or white writing on black headings.

The only gray in the book can be found in some pics, many diagrams, and some ads.

Their specific rules are posted what part number Magnuson to run for what combo, pulley sizes, pulley locations and tooth counts plus a must run as received from the manufacturer requirement without modification limitation (even adding the custom hiding covers actually appears to violate that rule if attached to the part).

There is also a specific rule that also says in part and I will not quote it from the book but simply state the expressed item (if something does not state accepted or prohibited in the rules, then assume it is prohibited, ask tech first).

In their class or not, we are dues paying members of an Association (the last letter in NHRA), and our reputation as members, along with records, and stats recorded, events won and competition conducted are all sullied when mutiple people aim to cheat or find gray where it simply does not exist..

And in this particular case there was no gray, but multiple violations, by either engine/car builders, crew or teams. But the rules they were racing under was very specific at each event conducted.

Larger and/or Smaller pulleys, different sizing, different number of teeth, and or reversing the pulley(s) (or otherwise modifying the as supplied Magnuson of a specific part number called out in the rules notes 3 and 4 was specifically Prohibited under the published ruleset fir the class...Period. End of story.

And therefore a violation in each case, though the investigation is still ongoing (according to NHRA stating no comment to media), as are any filed appeals still yet to be completed.

You have your opinion and morals (or lack thereof IMHO brother), I have mine, we are in different race classes...And I like it that way!

If you ever truly find that "gray area to play in" in that rulebook, please point it out to me as I am the slowest of the slowest class (at least in Stock Elim.), and I could certainly afford to go a lot faster if some unknown magic gray area was deemed legal or not prohibited. (Meaning specifically ALLOWED of course).

Finding Horsepower is hard without blowers/superchargers/turbos/or other chemical/mechanical power adders, etc.

So any additional legal gray area found (within the black writing on white pages), would be a boost up. Sadly though it just does not exist except in some loose moral characters minds. Just my opinion mind you.