Trump found guilty!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by David Lee

what you are not is an expert on vaccines.

and I doubt very much that you are either.

[Superpro]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Duh, this is a Stock/Superstock site?As Yac said, the top 4 loudmouths don?t even race.. Never seen such a pitiful bunch that LOVES higher grocery / fuel prices ??

Duh this is the "lounge".....and this is a drag racing site for enthusiasts! One does not need a Stock/Superstock car to be an enthusiast! It's certainly not the Derby City's and Yac's that will prescribe what one's level of particiation will and should be.

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

and I doubt very much that you are either.

i never claimed i was, i go where the evidence leads, when ever i have a question, i go to experts that know more than me. not some politician or some famous person.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mark,
My last post in Stock and Super Stock Tech has around 7 likes.

You seem to have a problem understanding that post.

I am thinking you just don't like me.

Interesting how Billy who I have almost all of my interaction in this thread with, has handled himself exemplary.

Stan

Stan, I don't know what post you're referring to but I did say SOME in The Squad here, don't contribute anything meaningful to the rest of the forum.
As far as not liking somebody, I already stated I don't like liberals in general.
If one comes in my shop and they don't like what I listen to one the radio on weekdays ,I tell them to leave.
I would say, if you're worried about people not liking you on this particular forum , then stick to the tech issues, and cut the lefty crap down here in the forum.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by David Lee

i never claimed i was, i go where the evidence leads, when ever i have a question, i go to experts that know more than me. no some politician or some famous person.

You're not presenting where you're getting the evidence that you're being led by.
I have quoted no politicians or famous people. I've only led you to a website that is quoting the CDC. You have SHOWN me nothing to contradict that site, you are only contradicting from your word-of-mouth.

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

You're not presenting where you're getting the evidence that you're being led by.
I have quoted no politicians or famous people. I've only led you to a website that is quoting the CDC. You have SHOWN me nothing to contradict that site, you are only contradicting from your word-of-mouth.

i am done, have a great day. i hope this has not made you sour on me.,

[Billy Nees]

David, I learned a long time ago to not "discuss" politics with certain people. Some of my best "racing buddies" are lefties. I hold no ill-will toward you and if you ever do get your 318 deal rolling and I can be of any help, don't be afraid to contact me if I can help.

Just going to something that Mark just posted about people coming into his shop, I had a very liberal "customer" come into my shop one time, walk right up to my radio and turn it off with the comment "I can't listen to that s#!t!". I quite calmly asked him to turn my radio back on and if he ever touched it again, I would break his hands. We've been fine since then.

[Superpro]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

What it has to do with, is the fact that this is a racing site, where about 90% of the participants have a conservative ideology. We don't like liberal lawyers working with liberal homeowners who work together to get racetracks shut down..
We don't like liberals who try to have leaded racing fuels banned (as in Canada...you remember, I'm sure)
We don't like CA. on road regulations interfering with our off road racing.
We don't like ridiculous fuel prices ( see CA. and Bidenomics)

You know , Ken has been good enough to allow political discussion in the lounge because he knows people want to vent about our current economic situation, and how it affects drag racing.

Some of the 5% Squad are in the lounge only for their own personal agenda .Very few contribute anything meaningful to the rest of the forum.

Speaking for myself, I really can't stand liberals anyway. I've got a few Big D former union friends here ,and a few family members with TDS what I'm stuck with.
Other than them, I'm not going to sit here and be nice to liberals, while they and their Lib buddies screw up this country any more than the have already .
Clear enough?

Not clear enough! I hope Ken let's me stay on here because all my race cars are gone! Accordingly, my knowledge of worldly events has certainly diminished as a result.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by 63corvette

Jeff, since you were a big union member and supporter please explain how a National right to work would eliminate unions.
I live in Texas and as far as I know it is a right to work state.
There are lots of union shops in Texas so I do not understand how that happens.
Most of the things I know about Unions is the corruption and the thugs that run them.
One of many examples is what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.
I am not being critical of anyone who wants to belong to a union, I just think that is a personal decision and no one should be forced to join and pay into a corrupt system in many instances.
I have a friend who was in an independent union, as he explained it and he says it was great and I believed him. He retired early and enjoys a good retirement.
Just please explain if possible how a National right to work would eliminate all unions.
Thanks
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

I've been in Emerald Isle NC with the family for the last week. Little behind here.

Rick, whenever a Right to Work status is forced on a workforce, several things happen with the sole intent of making life hard, if not impossible for a small union to survive.
1) First, anyone is allowed to blow off the dues. So, if you don't want to join, you don't have to. I don't have a problem with this part, it's what comes next that I distain.
2) The local is required to treat a non-payer the same as a due's payer. So, if you get stiffed on your paycheck, the company balks at making it right, and you happen to be a non-payer and want to file a grievance and have the local pursue your claim, or even spend 5 grand on an arbitration, it MUST happen by the RTW laws. This is really hard on a local trying to survive. It spends our money and infuriates Stewards that are forced to take care of free loaders. Fair huh?
3) Then, once a year, at the locals cost a yearly election must be held. This ties up the local's money, and time. All "NO Shows" are counted as NO votes. So, if you have 100 members and 40 show up and vote yes, but 60 stay home, your 'voted out' and the local is dissolved. Fair huh?
4) Then there's the payroll deduction. In most RTW states it is illegal to withhold payroll deduction from a member's paycheck. It's fine if your withholding girl scouts, united way etc... everything is just as it has always been and not an issue, unless you're talking about and trying to withhold union dues. This is designed to turn the local into bill collectors. If you have an issue and can't pay, (the car broke down, dogs sick, etc) but this happens week, after week, after week. Its not very long till everyone else says, "HEY, if they're not going to pay I ain't either" and the hole system collapse's. Fair Huh?
5) It varies from state to state, but many RTW laws are written so that it is illegal to bargain for pay and benefits. You can bargain for language such as break times, work rules, major offences, etc. but the thing that's most important and the reason 90 % of folks want a union... is outlawed. Most employees' thoughts, mine included,.. is 'why have a union? What's the use? Fair huh?
As you can see, its quite clear when Trump ask for a National Right to work Bill he was not doing it for any other reason than to eliminate unions for good. There are only 10 % of the workforce still in organized labor and this would have been a death blow.
And yes, the larger Internationals can prop up RTW state unions. But it's not sustainable. And the Republicans know it. Thats the reason they have been on a 30-year RTW rampage. You will notice as soon as a state is solidly red, it's not long till the RTW legislation is forced through. Currently over 1/3 of the US is Right to Work, every single one in a very red state.

Trump has encouraged freeloaders, made it more difficult to enforce collective bargaining agreements, silenced workers and restricted the freedom to join unions:

Trump has packed the courts with anti-labor judges.

Trump has stacked the National Labor Relations Board with anti-union appointees (wall street attorneys) who side with employers in contract disputes and support companies who delay and stall union elections, misclassify workers to take away their freedom to join a union, and silence workers.

Trump has made it easier for employers to fire or penalize workers who speak up for better pay and working conditions or exercise the right to strike.

A Right to Work Union is nothing but a sham because freeloaders get the benefits others pay for.
I'm not voting for that, why would I?

[SStockDart]

The term ?right to work? relates to or promotes the right of a worker to be able to obtain employment without being required to join a labor union to do so. When right to work laws are in place, workers cannot be compelled to pay for any cost of union representation, even if the union is active in the workplace and represents many of the other employees.

It is a government regulation of contractual agreements between labor unions and employers to prevent the exclusion of non-union workers.

You know and have heard of not joining the union.....slashed tires, broken windshields, beat downs. Unions are not necessary for a person to have a good living and enjoy your jobs. Over 90% of the work force is non-union. In 1983, 20% were union. Why the decline.....???? Unions are a business. Their income is from dues. They are not needed, the government regulates employment.