Season averages - Page 6

B Parker · 12-04-2023, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Hey BP
How about that cam change? You know the one with less lift and duration! OH! Yogi That is just the "Average Cam" LOL

So Adger are you saying instead of fixing the AHFS you would rather see about ONE THOUSAND STOCKER'S SCRAP THEIR MOTORS and go back to the old cam rules of the 70's. I think you would be in the MINORITY on that one. But if that's the cam anyone wants to use go for it. There is nothing stopping anyone from using the old style cam shafts. They are still legal to run in Stock. My lift would stay the same. My cars also ran fast under those rules. I never asked for any of the enhancements we have been given. But I do believe in the old saying that I'm not going to bring a knife to a gun fight. Especially in the classes I hang out in. I go to Indy as often as I can. Been apart several times with different cars and combo's. Including under old rules of lift, duration overlap and spring pressure. Not once been bounced. BP

Adger Smith · 12-05-2023, 08:58 PM

No rules changes, no going back...
Just saying if you want to save the "Average" put an "Average" cam in it.
OF Course Billy Nees would say just put shorter ratio rocker on.
That is the "easy way" and it would be real easy to go back to "Bad A^^ mode....

goinbroke2 · 12-05-2023, 10:30 PM

I just hope they don't hit a certain soft combo before I get it built! LOL!

B Parker · 12-05-2023, 10:50 PM

Adger, I get you really didn't mean it but why even say it. It just adds to the list of stupid things that are said to correct the problems with the AHFS. Then you follow it up by another stupid Idea. Put a smaller cam in it to slow it down. It may work for those combo's that have almost no one running in their class. But the popular classes get heads up races all the time. The last thing I'm going to want to try to get done is a cam or rocker arm changes before a heads-up race. At Columbus Sports Nationals in 2022 I had back-to-back heads up races in the 3rd and 4th round. With two cars that are good and not far behind me. I would have never made it to the line if I needed to do big changes like that.
Not that I really care if they drop the indexes by one or two tenths. But here is another thing that some say that makes no sense to me. If they drop the indexes by one or two tenths that will just put the faster cars ahead of me by more. How's that? We all get our indexs hit and the faster cars will still be only x amount of tenths faster the same they were before. Even Billy admitted after seeing the class averages at the end of last year said the indexes were soft and should be hit. I still don't think they need to hit them to fix some of the problems BP

Lehew432 · 12-05-2023, 11:54 PM

I know some combos that are not going to whacked with a hammer. And some that will most likely get some HP taken off.

Also there are some that I see that has me saying, you deserved it. Period.

Mark Yacavone · 12-08-2023, 09:40 PM

So when do they go on their "vacation" ? I mean their scheduled one.
Next Friday ,then?

GTX JOHN · 12-09-2023, 02:01 AM

I think that is correct.
They will Get out of Dodge City as soon
as they are posted generally.

Cglrcng · 12-30-2023, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Now don't go and trash the few Racers out there racing FWD combos! I'm the only one (to my knowledge) running "junk"!
If it's so easy, everyone would be doing it.
You should try it sometime. ;-)

And I will add that I have not put skinnies on my FWD junk either...Yet!

Dave Noll · 12-30-2023, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4284spd

Not knocking the few that race FWD but your effort pales compared to the guy's running real cars! Cry all you want! You don't have the respect of real combo racers! You can be Ken's friends all you want but the 99% don't care!

Yeah? NO kidding. But I have one of each of those cars. One is liked more than the other. I'm doing what I can with both. One's a stick, one's an auto, one's RWD, the other is FWD, one has a computer OE, the other has a carburetor. One runs quite a ways under (legal), the other runs .45 over. But only 1 has skinnies. Either one take effort, a little savvy and money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Now Doug could have built a '70 350/250/224 with the carb that never came on a car that NHRA (somehow) made available and I'm pretty sure that he would be wanting the indexes moved .3.
;-)

Yeah we NEED more of these.

trode424 · 12-30-2023, 03:30 PM

Is there a place to go and see what your class average was for the year?

12-05-2023, 08:58 PM	#52
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Season averages No rules changes, no going back... Just saying if you want to save the "Average" put an "Average" cam in it. OF Course Billy Nees would say just put shorter ratio rocker on. That is the "easy way" and it would be real easy to go back to "Bad A^^ mode.... __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

12-05-2023, 10:30 PM	#53
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 888 Likes: 1,597 Liked 387 Times in 151 Posts	Re: Season averages I just hope they don't hit a certain soft combo before I get it built! LOL!

12-05-2023, 10:50 PM	#54
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Season averages Adger, I get you really didn't mean it but why even say it. It just adds to the list of stupid things that are said to correct the problems with the AHFS. Then you follow it up by another stupid Idea. Put a smaller cam in it to slow it down. It may work for those combo's that have almost no one running in their class. But the popular classes get heads up races all the time. The last thing I'm going to want to try to get done is a cam or rocker arm changes before a heads-up race. At Columbus Sports Nationals in 2022 I had back-to-back heads up races in the 3rd and 4th round. With two cars that are good and not far behind me. I would have never made it to the line if I needed to do big changes like that. Not that I really care if they drop the indexes by one or two tenths. But here is another thing that some say that makes no sense to me. If they drop the indexes by one or two tenths that will just put the faster cars ahead of me by more. How's that? We all get our indexs hit and the faster cars will still be only x amount of tenths faster the same they were before. Even Billy admitted after seeing the class averages at the end of last year said the indexes were soft and should be hit. I still don't think they need to hit them to fix some of the problems BP Last edited by B Parker; 12-05-2023 at 10:54 PM.

12-05-2023, 11:54 PM	#55
Lehew432 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2021 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Season averages I know some combos that are not going to whacked with a hammer. And some that will most likely get some HP taken off. Also there are some that I see that has me saying, you deserved it. Period.

12-08-2023, 09:40 PM	#56
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,119 Times in 1,950 Posts	Re: Season averages So when do they go on their "vacation" ? I mean their scheduled one. Next Friday ,then? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-09-2023, 02:01 AM	#57
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,732 Likes: 2,798 Liked 2,482 Times in 697 Posts	Re: Season averages I think that is correct. They will Get out of Dodge City as soon as they are posted generally. __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock

12-30-2023, 03:30 PM	#60
trode424 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 23 Likes: 4 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Season averages Is there a place to go and see what your class average was for the year? Last edited by trode424; 12-31-2023 at 12:15 PM.