Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023

MR DERBY CITY · 08-14-2023, 10:51 PM

I just don’t think any youngsters are going to be beating the door down to build stock eliminator cars. Usually the only new blood we see is when their family has raced a stocker or super stocker. As my good friend Larry Hill would say, “ why would anyone spend so much money to go sooo SLOW ??

Birch motor cars · 08-23-2023, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

I just don’t think any youngsters are going to be beating the door down to build stock eliminator cars. Usually the only new blood we see is when their family has raced a stocker or super stocker. As my good friend Larry Hill would say, “ why would anyone spend so much money to go sooo SLOW ??

We need to bring the old IHRA Crate Motor packages to the NHRA and we will have a new gen of young people filling the lanes. Right now all we have are a bunch of old guys holding the door shut on the new blood that wants in. Oh boy I can see the steam flowing now !!! LOL !!!

1347 · 08-23-2023, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

We need to bring the old IHRA Crate Motor packages to the NHRA and we will have a new gen of young people filling the lanes. Right now all we have are a bunch of old guys holding the door shut on the new blood that wants in. Oh boy I can see the steam flowing now !!! LOL !!!

we do have crate motor packages. you can run the IHRA crate motors at national opens.
But in reality, the engines offered in the new Copos, Cobra Jets, and Drag Packs can be run in Super Stock. Those motors are more in tune with the younger generation compared to old crate engines from 15 plus years ago.

Cglrcng · 08-23-2023, 07:59 PM

Now that as a long time lurker here, I have finally taken the leap to register last night and had a chance to read and read,...and read more this wonderful thread and many others of late, while waiting for a reply window to arrive I am going to ask a few questions, and start a thread on my recent late in life 2nd try at class racing.

A tiny bit of hisyory. (Though lived about 3 miles from Lions in the 60's early early life fan of the biggies, bracket raced starting after high school at O.C.I.R. in 1975 through the late 80's, and made the first failed but super fun attempt at class racing in 1994-1997, I was somewhat competitive but the car certainly was not, it was the absolute slowest car in the category running in GF/SA).

Who inspired me to attempt Class Racing in Stock someday? Chad Langdon, and another who drove his Stocker Pinto wagon from SoCal to Indy (racing it in Stock, then driving it back home, and lived a short dream of racing at The Big Go. And in Super Stock the original builder of my winning at the time (mid 80's time period), bracket car (a whit/blue 63 Dodge Polara), Peter Berkuta....and Later none other than GTX John Irving, and am so glad to see he and Jon are still at it and so active after all these years living the dream.

Am rejoining Yac and Nees with a very old slow sled project, last raced actively in the 1990's purchased a car in the family since new dealer purchased Feb. 2 1985 w/27K on the odometer in April of 1993 (last active Feb. 1997 Atsco Nationals Phx, AZ, GF/SA Class Finalist, and really glad the winner is still active albeit a quarter of a century later).

What is the combination? The slowest and most underpowered sled I think to ever attempt the mission, but too late now to back out, what is done is done, and this newbie decided to move forward.

A 1984 Dodge Daytona 2.2L/135 C.I. TBI (single point Upright Bosch injected...NON-Turbo snail), 2 door hatchback).

How did it become a Stocker? Mom bought the car as a dailydriver from Cerritos Dodge in SoCal Feb. 1995 (build date 3rd week Dec. 1984, Uncommon Block EFI, w/A/C...Silver/Silver), she drove it first 27K miles and was forced to retire in a AAA downsize in 1993, and was moving to AZ, I bought it for my wife (for 3K), as a daily, and 3 weeks later she asked if it could be raced in Stk. Elim.?

The next weekend I was at Carlsbad Raceway to find out....(continued).

Cglrcng · 08-23-2023, 11:12 PM

Lost the login again...dangit.

Rough weather here again in N.W., AZ, I will continue the story in a build thread if anyone has an interest...

I get the thread fully, life is hard, the class racer game is hard, money is still king, not much has changed, building fast legal class cars is harder...But, please do not take the fire outta my pipes, as I just got em lit again (and that 1st time start up, going from (bwop, bwop, bwop, to a true Big block cackle true NHRA Stk. Elim. Sound), after a quarter of a century layoff was downright amazing!

It made this 66 yr. Old Crazy Fool feel like 20 again.

The car is 3 miles from hitting 93K, it has a correctly re-built and improved bullet in the chamber, still plenty of room for planned improves.

It has only 3-1/8th mile shakedown and ring sealing passes on it so far (Has not seen a quarter mile true prepped drag strip yet), but for an engine in its first 93K miles never saw more than 5,600 Rpm, the first 3 passes just attempting to find the new shift point, was Street Drive tires 6,400, 20" tall 6"X14" MT E.T. slicks second pass and 6,400 again 2/10ths quicker, and last of 3 passes back on the street drive tires 7,000 Rpm when at 662' I was outta track (in low gear and still pulling hard, and forced to shift and lift, due to a short shutdown).

A lot can be said for proper balancing and machine work (even with doing so in accordance with the allowable ruleset).

I know what it ran before, and what it could and could not do, it is much improved now. Vegas on the 8th I plan and hope. It is still a work in progress, and eventually some younger person's toy.

But in the meantime, I am going to finish the mission of a 2nd try with it.

Billy Nees · 08-24-2023, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cglrcng

I will continue the story in a build thread if anyone has an interest...

It made this 66 yr. Old Crazy Fool feel like 20 again.

Well heck yeah! The world needs more "Old Crazy Fools" to get off their couches and prove just how foolish we can be!

curtis reed · 08-24-2023, 08:34 AM

I'm wondering why VR didn't just help him find some older parts that could probably put him 60 under, a bottle of shoe polish and send him out to have a great time???

I'm just a bracket racer but I love what you guys do. I build my own stuff but only out of necessity to be able to drive. Had I started a lot sooner I might have gotten into S or SS with a close friend of mine who is the type that is perfect for these classes.

Also, shouldn't it be JN not NB?

GTX JOHN · 08-29-2023, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cglrcng

Now that as a long time lurker here, I have finally taken the leap to register last night and had a chance to read and read,...and read more this wonderful thread and many others of late, while waiting for a reply window to arrive I am going to ask a few questions, and start a thread on my recent late in life 2nd try at class racing.

A tiny bit of hisyory. (Though lived about 3 miles from Lions in the 60's early early life fan of the biggies, bracket raced starting after high school at O.C.I.R. in 1975 through the late 80's, and made the first failed but super fun attempt at class racing in 1994-1997, I was somewhat competitive but the car certainly was not, it was the absolute slowest car in the category running in GF/SA).

Who inspired me to attempt Class Racing in Stock someday? Chad Langdon, and another who drove his Stocker Pinto wagon from SoCal to Indy (racing it in Stock, then driving it back home, and lived a short dream of racing at The Big Go. And in Super Stock the original builder of my winning at the time (mid 80's time period), bracket car (a whit/blue 63 Dodge Polara), Peter Berkuta....and Later none other than GTX John Irving, and am so glad to see he and Jon are still at it and so active after all these years living the dream.

Am rejoining Yac and Nees with a very old slow sled project, last raced actively in the 1990's purchased a car in the family since new dealer purchased Feb. 2 1985 w/27K on the odometer in April of 1993 (last active Feb. 1997 Atsco Nationals Phx, AZ, GF/SA Class Finalist, and really glad the winner is still active albeit a quarter of a century later).

What is the combination? The slowest and most underpowered sled I think to ever attempt the mission, but too late now to back out, what is done is done, and this newbie decided to move forward.

A 1984 Dodge Daytona 2.2L/135 C.I. TBI (single point Upright Bosch injected...NON-Turbo snail), 2 door hatchback).

How did it become a Stocker? Mom bought the car as a dailydriver from Cerritos Dodge in SoCal Feb. 1995 (build date 3rd week Dec. 1984, Uncommon Block EFI, w/A/C...Silver/Silver), she drove it first 27K miles and was forced to retire in a AAA downsize in 1993, and was moving to AZ, I bought it for my wife (for 3K), as a daily, and 3 weeks later she asked if it could be raced in Stk. Elim.?

The next weekend I was at Carlsbad Raceway to find out....(continued).

Let us know if we can help = Just an hour up the road!
Let me know if you get up this way = Will buy you lunch.
Often we have room in the stacker for any extra car and it
has Air and a bed. We sleep in the toter so it is always empty
unless a friend comes.

kdanner · 08-23-2023, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

We need to bring the old IHRA Crate Motor packages to the NHRA and we will have a new gen of young people filling the lanes. Right now all we have are a bunch of old guys holding the door shut on the new blood that wants in. Oh boy I can see the steam flowing now !!! LOL !!!

This list? https://www.ihra.com/competition/com...list-for-stock

How many of those are still being sold? The only ones I found are the 350/385 and 302/340. I'm not even sure if those are actually the same as were sold years ago.

Rory McNeil · 08-23-2023, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

We need to bring the old IHRA Crate Motor packages to the NHRA and we will have a new gen of young people filling the lanes. Right now all we have are a bunch of old guys holding the door shut on the new blood that wants in. Oh boy I can see the steam flowing now !!! LOL !!!

"Filling the lanes"? Certainly didn`t seem to accomplish any such results for IHRA, did it ?

08-14-2023, 10:51 PM	#1
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,638 Likes: 1,083 Liked 7,938 Times in 1,519 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 I just don’t think any youngsters are going to be beating the door down to build stock eliminator cars. Usually the only new blood we see is when their family has raced a stocker or super stocker. As my good friend Larry Hill would say, “ why would anyone spend so much money to go sooo SLOW ??

08-23-2023, 07:59 PM	#4
Cglrcng Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Kingman, AZ Posts: 410 Likes: 1,571 Liked 334 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 Now that as a long time lurker here, I have finally taken the leap to register last night and had a chance to read and read,...and read more this wonderful thread and many others of late, while waiting for a reply window to arrive I am going to ask a few questions, and start a thread on my recent late in life 2nd try at class racing. A tiny bit of hisyory. (Though lived about 3 miles from Lions in the 60's early early life fan of the biggies, bracket raced starting after high school at O.C.I.R. in 1975 through the late 80's, and made the first failed but super fun attempt at class racing in 1994-1997, I was somewhat competitive but the car certainly was not, it was the absolute slowest car in the category running in GF/SA). Who inspired me to attempt Class Racing in Stock someday? Chad Langdon, and another who drove his Stocker Pinto wagon from SoCal to Indy (racing it in Stock, then driving it back home, and lived a short dream of racing at The Big Go. And in Super Stock the original builder of my winning at the time (mid 80's time period), bracket car (a whit/blue 63 Dodge Polara), Peter Berkuta....and Later none other than GTX John Irving, and am so glad to see he and Jon are still at it and so active after all these years living the dream. Am rejoining Yac and Nees with a very old slow sled project, last raced actively in the 1990's purchased a car in the family since new dealer purchased Feb. 2 1985 w/27K on the odometer in April of 1993 (last active Feb. 1997 Atsco Nationals Phx, AZ, GF/SA Class Finalist, and really glad the winner is still active albeit a quarter of a century later). What is the combination? The slowest and most underpowered sled I think to ever attempt the mission, but too late now to back out, what is done is done, and this newbie decided to move forward. A 1984 Dodge Daytona 2.2L/135 C.I. TBI (single point Upright Bosch injected...NON-Turbo snail), 2 door hatchback). How did it become a Stocker? Mom bought the car as a dailydriver from Cerritos Dodge in SoCal Feb. 1995 (build date 3rd week Dec. 1984, Uncommon Block EFI, w/A/C...Silver/Silver), she drove it first 27K miles and was forced to retire in a AAA downsize in 1993, and was moving to AZ, I bought it for my wife (for 3K), as a daily, and 3 weeks later she asked if it could be raced in Stk. Elim.? The next weekend I was at Carlsbad Raceway to find out....(continued).

08-23-2023, 11:12 PM	#5
Cglrcng Member Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Kingman, AZ Posts: 410 Likes: 1,571 Liked 334 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 Lost the login again...dangit. Rough weather here again in N.W., AZ, I will continue the story in a build thread if anyone has an interest... I get the thread fully, life is hard, the class racer game is hard, money is still king, not much has changed, building fast legal class cars is harder...But, please do not take the fire outta my pipes, as I just got em lit again (and that 1st time start up, going from (bwop, bwop, bwop, to a true Big block cackle true NHRA Stk. Elim. Sound), after a quarter of a century layoff was downright amazing! It made this 66 yr. Old Crazy Fool feel like 20 again. The car is 3 miles from hitting 93K, it has a correctly re-built and improved bullet in the chamber, still plenty of room for planned improves. It has only 3-1/8th mile shakedown and ring sealing passes on it so far (Has not seen a quarter mile true prepped drag strip yet), but for an engine in its first 93K miles never saw more than 5,600 Rpm, the first 3 passes just attempting to find the new shift point, was Street Drive tires 6,400, 20" tall 6"X14" MT E.T. slicks second pass and 6,400 again 2/10ths quicker, and last of 3 passes back on the street drive tires 7,000 Rpm when at 662' I was outta track (in low gear and still pulling hard, and forced to shift and lift, due to a short shutdown). A lot can be said for proper balancing and machine work (even with doing so in accordance with the allowable ruleset). I know what it ran before, and what it could and could not do, it is much improved now. Vegas on the 8th I plan and hope. It is still a work in progress, and eventually some younger person's toy. But in the meantime, I am going to finish the mission of a 2nd try with it.

08-24-2023, 08:34 AM	#7
curtis reed Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Kiefer, Ok. Posts: 167 Likes: 64 Liked 125 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023 I'm wondering why VR didn't just help him find some older parts that could probably put him 60 under, a bottle of shoe polish and send him out to have a great time??? I'm just a bracket racer but I love what you guys do. I build my own stuff but only out of necessity to be able to drive. Had I started a lot sooner I might have gotten into S or SS with a close friend of mine who is the type that is perfect for these classes. Also, shouldn't it be JN not NB?