The Fall f the United States, The End

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Greg, When it comes to ethics and morality, we are definitely moving in the wrong direction.

That's the understatement of the year. It's not a slow steady downward slide. It's more like an insane stampede to inevitability.

[BRETV]

My last post on this subject. Who created Lucy?

Philippians 2:10-11

"That every knee will bow in Heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

We all will meet our maker someday whether we believe or not.


God Bless you all and your families!!




Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by BRETV

My last post on this subject. Who created Lucy?

Philippians 2:10-11

"That every knee will bow in Heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

We all will meet our maker someday whether we believe or not.


God Bless you all and your families!!




Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

There was never a question or doubt who created Lucy or any creature great and small. I question how many hours, days, years, decades, centuries are in God’s day! It would seem his day is not 24 hours!

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

There was never a question or doubt who created Lucy or any creature great and small. I question how many hours, days, years, decades, centuries are in God’s day! It would seem his day is not 24 hours!

Eddie, I said last post before, but you made me do it! LOL


2 Peter 3:8

" But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like thousand years, and thousand years like a day."



Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by BRETV

Eddie, I said last post before, but you made me do it! LOL


2 Peter 3:8

" But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like thousand years, and thousand years like a day."



Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

While, there you have it! Take care Bret!

[Mark Yacavone]

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MJ, I bet you didn't think this thread would turn into
"Inherit the Wind"

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

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MJ, I bet you didn't think this thread would turn into
"Inherit the Wind"

Most important thread on Classracer Mark!! LOL




Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

If you want your children to have religion take them to church and be parents. Or take them to a religious school and pay out of your wallet. If teachers want to have and time permitting offer a moment to reflect, then do so! As a taxpayer, I don't want anyone's religion in our schools. Last time I looked we have a clause that refers to "separation of church and State" in our Constitution.

No, we do not have a clause that refers to separation of church and state.


We have The Establishment Clause, which bans the federal government from establishing an official state religion, which was written exclusively to prevent anything similar to "The Church of England", which placed the head of state at the head of an official religion that excluded other religions. The King of England was the head of the Church of England. That is ALL that The Establishment Clause was written to prevent. It did however include the intent to prevent religious affiliation from being used as a "litmus test" to prevent anyone of a certain religion from being allowed to participate in the government. The Founders knew that a state church meant that a man would be considered not only a head of state, but a representative of God, and that created rule of man, as opposed to rule of law, which they despised as much as democracy.



There was a letter from Thomas Jefferson regarding his belief that the state (any government) from being directly involved or directly associated with a specific church.


That letter was not however, any sort of prose in opposition of religion, and the associated morality, being a part of government.





The Founding Fathers were not only Judeo-Christian, but quite openly believed, and stated, that God himself favored the Republic, and actively showed favor to its creation and survival. This is a nation founded upon Judeo-Christian beliefs and religion, and I believe you'll note that one of the Founding Fathers stated clearly, "Our Constitution is designed to govern a moral and religious people, and is wholly unsuited to govern any other." It was also stated that the Republic could only survive and prosper so long as its people were of the requisite morals and manners to allow it to, and it was inferred that those manners and morals came from religion, which was obviously the Judeo-Christian faith. Even Franklin, the man of science among the Founders, stated that the Republic could never have been founded and survived The Revolution without the Divine Providence of God.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

So where did all this "record revenue" come from? The three main sources of federal tax revenue are individual income taxes, payroll taxes, and corporate income taxes. Per the Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 8. If corporate taxes are reduced, what does that leave to pay the rest?



I totally agree that the government spends way beyond it's means, I am for a flat tax with no deductions. I would also like to see a budget passed on time, the Federal Fiscal Year ends September 30. This year they were working on it in June. I would like to see something that was implemented here in California. If the budget goes past the due date the Assembly does not get paid.


You and I are on the same page with regards to spending, it is out of control.

The record revenue comes from a healthy and growing economy. It's obvious. Look up the numbers. The tax rate being reduced does not necessarily reduce revenue, and in fact, reducing the tax rate, encouraging spending, investment, and production, usually increases the amount of revenue. Excessive taxation serves only to stagnate the economy, and discourage investment, production, and growth. It's a simple matter of human nature. That which you penalize is reduced. Taxation penalizes the creation of wealth. Excessive taxation kills it.

[Greg Reimer 7376]

I'll summarize my theology by being concise and hopefully profound:

Religion is man's attempt to define God.

Doctrine is man's attempt to explain what God does.

Tradition is man explaining how God has always done things.

Scripture is God's revelation of who He is.