The Fall f the United States, The End

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

The theory of supply-side economics says the growth from tax cuts is enough to replace the tax revenue lost if the tax rate is above 50% of income. When tax rates are lower, the cuts worsen the national debt without boosting growth enough to replace lost revenue. Reagan and Trump used it and both increased the national debt. Under Trump (2015-2020) the Debt to GDP ratio went from 100% to 129%

Still wrong. Record revenue is record revenue. The tax cuts created record revenue. If spending outpaces that record revenue, it's the spending that causes debt, not the tax cuts. And spending outpaced revenue, in both cases. It does not matter how high tax rates or revenue are, if spending outpaces the revenue. And in the modern era, it almost always does.


Spending is a problem for both sides. Almost the entire debt can be attributed to the entitlements created by the "war on poverty", which is an abject failure. People cannot be bought out of poverty. Like lottery winners, people who get free money to buy them out of poverty are broke again almost immediately. They're not broke because they can't make money, they're broke because they won't make money and won't manage money.

[SStockDart]

Talk about spending.....January 2022 thru January 2023, Bidens and friends have contributed $46.6bn to the Ukraine war effort. Walmart, the world's largest retailer paid $7.72bn in taxes. (I'm not saying that amount is good or bad) So, we have given Ukraine 6 times the US tax income from our largest retailer. Doesn't sound very smart to me.

[Mark Yacavone]

What, 247 years now? I figure we're on borrowed time as far as great civilizations go..
When the politicians figure out that they can buy votes by transferring money from those who earn it to those that don't or won't, that's the the beginning of the death spiral, sorry to say.

[Mike Jones]

250 years is a great run for a nation. There have been few that went longer.
In school, I never understood how a nation with military might and all the money, could fail. It's happening right before my very eyes!

[Carguy49]

There have been 4 shootings/deaths, that I know of, this last weekend in the Pacific Northwest.

One at a restaurant in Redmond Washington, One at the Alderwood Mall near Lynwood, Washington, One at the Safeway just 3 miles from my home, and one at The Gorge, an outdoor amphitheater near George, Washington, actually at the campground near the venue. I am sure there many more and I am sure that you all could relate more that are close to you.

WHAT is going on in this country that I LOVE????? I FEAR for the worst, but PRAY DAILY for the best. May God help this country before it is too late.

It is going to take a MIRACLE and when we all unite and PRAY it will happen.

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

WHAT is going on in this country that I LOVE?????

It is a diabolical, Moral and Social deconstruct.

[BRETV]

This is what happens when you push God out of Gov't, schools and society. He will step aside and say okay you're on your own and evil will come to the fore front and try to take over. It's evident in the news everyday. Just like Ron said, we need to PRAY and ask Him to come and help the best nation in the history of man and it's not because of what we have done but what He has done for us. Please forgive us Lord, we have turned from You, Lord please come and heal our land again. We ask this in Jesus name Amen.



Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

WHAT is going on in this country that I LOVE????? I FEAR for the worst, but PRAY DAILY for the best. May God help this country before it is too late.

It is going to take a MIRACLE and when we all unite and PRAY it will happen.

What is happening is exactly what the Founders predicted would happen, when the people became debased, and immoral/amoral.


As an author of the Constitution said, "Our Constitution is designed to govern a moral and religious people, it is wholly unsuited to govern any other". An ever increasing segment of the population has become Godless and immoral/amoral. You are witnessing the result.


What you seek is the Bible verse used in the opening to the Charlie Daniels song "Take Back the USA"


2nd CHRONICLES 7:14


"If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from Heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and heal their land."

[Carguy49]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

What you seek is the Bible verse used in the opening to the Charlie Daniels song "Take Back the USA"


2nd Corinthians 7:14


"If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from Heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and heal their land."

Alan, I am a little confused, as I checked my mother's King James version of the Bible and the quote from that song and the indicated scripture don't match. Can you explain??

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Still wrong. Record revenue is record revenue. The tax cuts created record revenue. If spending outpaces that record revenue, it's the spending that causes debt, not the tax cuts. And spending outpaced revenue, in both cases. It does not matter how high tax rates or revenue are, if spending outpaces the revenue. And in the modern era, it almost always does.


Spending is a problem for both sides. Almost the entire debt can be attributed to the entitlements created by the "war on poverty", which is an abject failure. People cannot be bought out of poverty. Like lottery winners, people who get free money to buy them out of poverty are broke again almost immediately. They're not broke because they can't make money, they're broke because they won't make money and won't manage money.

So where did all this "record revenue" come from? The three main sources of federal tax revenue are individual income taxes, payroll taxes, and corporate income taxes. Per the Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 8. If corporate taxes are reduced, what does that leave to pay the rest?



I totally agree that the government spends way beyond it's means, I am for a flat tax with no deductions. I would also like to see a budget passed on time, the Federal Fiscal Year ends September 30. This year they were working on it in June. I would like to see something that was implemented here in California. If the budget goes past the due date the Assembly does not get paid.


You and I are on the same page with regards to spending, it is out of control.