The Fall f the United States, The End

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Wonder how many on this site have actually handled classified material? What has taken place in the last decade hits me right in the gut.

No takers?

[Mark Yacavone]

Yes, there are homeless people in every city and town. Always has been
Some deal with it, and some like to give lip service and then encourage more liberal policies that create more of it.

I've been to LA many times in the past, but have never, ever seen huge encampments of homeless like we see now .
Just more evidence that MJ is correct in his pronouncement ...All caused by one failed ideology...
Liberalism.

[jmcarter]

Failed ideologies fall on both side of the spectrum but there’s little doubt that the left leaning ones have accounted for far more human suffering. The body count attributable to Mao and Stalin is staggering. Hitler was a choir boy by comparison.

Eddie, I held DOE “Q” as well as DOD Secret clearances and while the abuse of those privileges is disappointing it’s not particularly surprising. Vietnam provided clear evidence of the deceit exercised by those in power with the singular intent of maintaining and strengthening their power.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

Failed ideologies fall on both side of the spectrum but there’s little doubt that the left leaning ones have accounted for far more human suffering. The body count attributable to Mao and Stalin is staggering. Hitler was a choir boy by comparison.

Eddie, I held DOE “Q” as well as DOD Secret clearances and while the abuse of those privileges is disappointing it’s not particularly surprising. Vietnam provided clear evidence of the deceit exercised by those in power with the singular intent of maintaining and strengthening their power.

Jim, I can’t bring myself to labeling strong Conservatives as fascist or Liberals as communists. The radical side of both of these parties is repulsive to me.

My time in the Corps I not only safe guarded classified material at two American Embassies. I have held a TS clearance with CNWDI access, had a CMS account that held two man control SAS/PAL. I have authenticated EAMs on a monthly basis. As Security Manager/ Special Weapons Officer, I have trained personnel and received two NWAI and two NTPI inspections with no discrepancies noted. When I see what happened of late makes me wonder what damage to national security has taken place. Did you ever see classified material store in anything less that a Class 6 safe?

[jmcarter]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Jim, I can’t bring myself to labeling strong Conservative as fascist or Liberals as communists. The radical side of both of these parties is repulsive to me…. Did you ever see classified material store in anything less that a Class 6 safe?

As a moderate the extreme factions are repulsive to me as well but as the country becomes increasingly polarized our parties seem to drift farther apart. So where does it end? And no, classified materials are signed out and they reside in a safe when not in use, and certainly overnight.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

As a moderate the extreme factions are repulsive to me as well but as the country becomes increasingly polarized our parties seem to drift farther apart. So where does it end? And no, classified materials are signed out and they reside in a safe when not in use, and certainly overnight.

I stand my ground as a moderate. Unfortunately/fortunately when I worked with State Department I have seen TS “eyes only” left out by State Dept employees, safes left open with millions in foreign currencies and drugs in a DEA office. Marine Security Guards have saved and destroyed many State careers by catching these security lapses.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

As a moderate the extreme factions are repulsive to me as well but as the country becomes increasingly polarized our parties seem to drift farther apart.

Depends on what you want to call "extreme factions".
During the budget debate, these guys were called extremists and far right in the fake news media, and on Fox News, with that country lovin' cowboy from Long Island, Sean Vanity.

I call them mainstream conservatives. Proud to say we have four members in MAGA country , Arizona.

"The House Freedom Caucus is a congressional caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives. According to the group's official Facebook page, "The House Freedom Caucus gives a voice to countless Americans who feel that Washington does not represent them. We support open, accountable and limited government, the Constitution and the rule of law, and policies that promote the liberty, safety and prosperity of all Americans."

[jmcarter]

Yak, I wouldn’t describe either ‘side’ as “extreme” currently. Rocking the boat is an absolute necessity, finding balance is the trick. Stagnant thinking stinks, just know this movement further and further apart cannot end well. Also think the radical left is the greater danger and is more removed from true American values.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Jim, I can’t bring myself to labeling strong Conservatives as fascist or Liberals as communists. The radical side of both of these parties is repulsive to me.

My time in the Corps I not only safe guarded classified material at two American Embassies. I have held a TS clearance with CNWDI access, had a CMS account that held two man control SAS/PAL. I have authenticated EAMs on a monthly basis. As Security Manager/ Special Weapons Officer, I have trained personnel and received two NWAI and two NTPI inspections with no discrepancies noted. When I see what happened of late makes me wonder what damage to national security has taken place. Did you ever see classified material store in anything less that a Class 6 safe?

Personally i have never seen or handled any top secret documents. My dad was a nuclear physicist and worked his whole career on the nuclear weapons program for the government. He had top secret clearance for all of the nuclear weapons sites around the country and maybe some we didnt know of. When I was young I knew where my dad worked but we had no idea what he did at the plant near where we lived. They were forbidden to tell anyone what was done at the plant. I was in my 20s when he was finally able to tell us what he had been working on all those years and we were able to tour the plant and see where he worked. He continued to work there until the DOE turned the plant over to Martin Marrietta. He retired at that point from General Electric that ran the plant for the DOE. Then was hired by Martin Marrietta and worked for them in a similar capacity for several more years then full retirement after that.

All that being said my dad was middle of the road politically. He would vote for who he thought was the best leader at the time. Sometimes he would vote for a republican but mosty leaned toward the democrats. I can tell you if he was alive today he would be appalled at what the goverment has turned into. All of this woke crap and LBGTQ would have really angered him. He was very opinionated and I really wish i could gear what he would have to say about the direction of the country. I can tell you he would not be a supporter of either Trump or Biden.
My dad was a veteran of the Korean war. During his time in the army he was stationed in Germany duing the war.
He passed away 10 years ago from complications due to a severe stroke. That day we lost a great father.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

Personally i have never seen or handled any top secret documents. My dad was a nuclear physicist and worked his whole career on the nuclear weapons program for the government. He had top secret clearance for all of the nuclear weapons sites around the country and maybe some we didnt know of. When I was young I knew where my dad worked but we had no idea what he did at the plant near where we lived. They were forbidden to tell anyone what was done at the plant. I was in my 20s when he was finally able to tell us what he had been working on all those years and we were able to tour the plant and see where he worked. He continued to work there until the DOE turned the plant over to Martin Marrietta. He retired at that point from General Electric that ran the plant for the DOE. Then was hired by Martin Marrietta and worked for them in a similar capacity for several more years then full retirement after that.

All that being said my dad was middle of the road politically. He would vote for who he thought was the best leader at the time. Sometimes he would vote for a republican but mosty leaned toward the democrats. I can tell you if he was alive today he would be appalled at what the goverment has turned into. All of this woke crap and LBGTQ would have really angered him. He was very opinionated and I really wish i could gear what he would have to say about the direction of the country. I can tell you he would not be a supporter of either Trump or Biden.
My dad was a veteran of the Korean war. During his time in the army he was stationed in Germany duing the war.
He passed away 10 years ago from complications due to a severe stroke. That day we lost a great father.

Good for your Dad, I worked on a number of occasions with Lawrence Livermoore Labs and Sandia Labs conducting testing of War Reserve weapons. DOE was always present because they had accountability of the material. I even got an opportunity to deliver a weapon system to the National Test Site and observe an underground test. My techs assembled the weapon for strike and turned it over to the Sandia techs for the underground test. It was interesting work but not something I wanted to continue to do after I left the military. I did go to work for GE Engine Services in Ontario, CA. Worked there for three years and they closed the plant and moved it to China.