Warning on contingency wraps

Crisco · 02-15-2023, 05:10 PM

Chase @ Accelerated Graphics told me that wraps were fine if the decal was the correct size per the original decal. His wraps are like this.

When I paid contingency for NHRA @ Nitroplate (miss those days), I didn't wait on NHRA to send me the info. I looked at DRC every Sunday night, made my list of W/RU and Monday morning we were writing checks....with approved decal of course. :-)

Robin Lawrence · 02-15-2023, 06:30 PM

So I posted about the size of the decal and the contract with NHRA. As someone mentioned it was good that NHRA was stepping up to make sure that the rules were followed.
As to payment, it is up to the individual companies to make the payouts per the postings. When a vendor signs up with NHRA they pay a fee to be a contingency partner. There are other benefits that NHRA provides in those programs as well.
An example would be midway display space as well as tickets to events based on their spend/program.

Several years ago there was a company that posted for several of their products. I was told that they never paid any contingency. Yet they signed up the following year. Since I wasn't directly involved, I won't name the company.

My opinion is that if companies don't pay their postings then NHRA needs to not allow them to post.

I think that this was addressed several years ago. I am sure that someone here knows the full story.

The contingency administrator from my previous employer processes the payments once she received the sheets from NHRA. Once she has all the information such as W9's she submits them to accounts payable to generate the payment. It goes into the payment cycle which can then get the racer paid.
If NHRA is late, or busy with many events, or if our lady missed the window for the next check run it can add time to the process.

Hats off to those companies that set aside a separate account and cut the checks shortly after an event.
If someone doesn't pay let NHRA know. They were very good about follow-up on racers who contacted them when they were not paid.

Robin

Don Kennedy · 02-15-2023, 07:35 PM

Can I get paid for all the other times the decal is being shown not just when I win just asking for a friend ????

BG56 · 02-15-2023, 08:55 PM

Back in the day I, as well as many other letterers were hand-painting the decals. I tried to make sure sizes and styles were correct to protect the racer/customer. Mainly because I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO REMOVE AND RE-DO THEM! Of course many of the dragster guys(and smaller cars) were searching for the smallest versions and even trimming them down to fit. Even more crucial today!!

Joe Santangelo · 02-16-2023, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

So I posted about the size of the decal and the contract with NHRA. As someone mentioned it was good that NHRA was stepping up to make sure that the rules were followed.
As to payment, it is up to the individual companies to make the payouts per the postings. When a vendor signs up with NHRA they pay a fee to be a contingency partner. There are other benefits that NHRA provides in those programs as well.
An example would be midway display space as well as tickets to events based on their spend/program.

Several years ago there was a company that posted for several of their products. I was told that they never paid any contingency. Yet they signed up the following year. Since I wasn't directly involved, I won't name the company.

My opinion is that if companies don't pay their postings then NHRA needs to not allow them to post.

I think that this was addressed several years ago. I am sure that someone here knows the full story.

The contingency administrator from my previous employer processes the payments once she received the sheets from NHRA. Once she has all the information such as W9's she submits them to accounts payable to generate the payment. It goes into the payment cycle which can then get the racer paid.
If NHRA is late, or busy with many events, or if our lady missed the window for the next check run it can add time to the process.

Hats off to those companies that set aside a separate account and cut the checks shortly after an event.
If someone doesn't pay let NHRA know. They were very good about follow-up on racers who contacted them when they were not paid.

Robin

Hey Robin. As far as you know, are there any penalties for a company when they don’t pay a racers contingency claim after a racer has provided everything required to collect a claim, or several claims? I don’t believe there is but figured you would know better than me with your experience on the business side. If there were no repercussions for me if i decided not to pay my taxes or other bills, I wouldn’t pay them either.

Crisco · 02-17-2023, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Santangelo

Hey Robin. As far as you know, are there any penalties for a company when they don’t pay a racers contingency claim after a racer has provided everything required to collect a claim, or several claims? I don’t believe there is but figured you would know better than me with your experience on the business side. If there were no repercussions for me if i decided not to pay my taxes or other bills, I wouldn’t pay them either.

Joe, no there isn't any penalties for non payment....at least there wasn't when I was paying.

Mark Yacavone · 02-17-2023, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crisco

Joe, no there isn't any penalties for non payment....at least there wasn't when I was paying.

I was afraid that I would hear this..
I know of racers who are owed several thousand dollars through the program, but as of today, NHRA has done nothing about it. They are quick to publish the names of RACERS who suspended or fined for safety and /or tech violations.
What about it , NHRA? We know you're out there.

..and for the guys who say they don't race for the money, you just might be in the right place ;-)

Robin Lawrence · 02-17-2023, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Santangelo

Hey Robin. As far as you know, are there any penalties for a company when they don’t pay a racers contingency claim after a racer has provided everything required to collect a claim, or several claims? I don’t believe there is but figured you would know better than me with your experience on the business side. If there were no repercussions for me if i decided not to pay my taxes or other bills, I wouldn’t pay them either.

As said above, there are no penalties for not paying. NHRA was diligent about forwarding the racers complaints or questions when they were not paid.

We had several who were claiming our parts that were fraud. I was tasked with sorting those out. Not fun

As I mentioned I would suggest that NHRA have a non renewal policy on anyone with a clear history of not paying the racers.

Robin

Stan Weiss · 02-17-2023, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

As said above, there are no penalties for not paying. NHRA was diligent about forwarding the racers complaints or questions when they were not paid.

We had several who were claiming our parts that were fraud. I was tasked with sorting those out. Not fun

As I mentioned I would suggest that NHRA have a non renewal policy on anyone with a clear history of not paying the racers.

Robin

Robin,
Since you have been on both sides of this. Does NHRA get an money from the poster as part of the program? If this is the case then that would explain why NHRA would not stop non payers from renewing.

Stan

Joe Santangelo · 02-17-2023, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

As said above, there are no penalties for not paying. NHRA was diligent about forwarding the racers complaints or questions when they were not paid.

We had several who were claiming our parts that were fraud. I was tasked with sorting those out. Not fun

As I mentioned I would suggest that NHRA have a non renewal policy on anyone with a clear history of not paying the racers.

Robin

Robin, I appreciate your response.

Next question. If a claim is not paid for a particular class at a certain race for whatever reason whether someone didn’t have the decal, didn’t have the product or flat out did not claim the product for the win or runner up, where does the money that was available for the racer go? Does the company get to keep the money that was available for the racer or does it go to NHRA if it is not claimed by the winner or runner up?

02-15-2023, 05:10 PM	#1
Crisco Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hendersonville, TN 37075 Posts: 226 Likes: 4 Liked 47 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps Chase @ Accelerated Graphics told me that wraps were fine if the decal was the correct size per the original decal. His wraps are like this. When I paid contingency for NHRA @ Nitroplate (miss those days), I didn't wait on NHRA to send me the info. I looked at DRC every Sunday night, made my list of W/RU and Monday morning we were writing checks....with approved decal of course. :-)

02-15-2023, 06:30 PM	#2
Robin Lawrence Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Galesburg IL. Posts: 177 Likes: 259 Liked 716 Times in 120 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps So I posted about the size of the decal and the contract with NHRA. As someone mentioned it was good that NHRA was stepping up to make sure that the rules were followed. As to payment, it is up to the individual companies to make the payouts per the postings. When a vendor signs up with NHRA they pay a fee to be a contingency partner. There are other benefits that NHRA provides in those programs as well. An example would be midway display space as well as tickets to events based on their spend/program. Several years ago there was a company that posted for several of their products. I was told that they never paid any contingency. Yet they signed up the following year. Since I wasn't directly involved, I won't name the company. My opinion is that if companies don't pay their postings then NHRA needs to not allow them to post. I think that this was addressed several years ago. I am sure that someone here knows the full story. The contingency administrator from my previous employer processes the payments once she received the sheets from NHRA. Once she has all the information such as W9's she submits them to accounts payable to generate the payment. It goes into the payment cycle which can then get the racer paid. If NHRA is late, or busy with many events, or if our lady missed the window for the next check run it can add time to the process. Hats off to those companies that set aside a separate account and cut the checks shortly after an event. If someone doesn't pay let NHRA know. They were very good about follow-up on racers who contacted them when they were not paid. Robin __________________ STK 308 SS 3088

02-15-2023, 07:35 PM	#3
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 904 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps Can I get paid for all the other times the decal is being shown not just when I win just asking for a friend ???? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

02-15-2023, 08:55 PM	#4
BG56 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 353 Likes: 500 Liked 299 Times in 112 Posts	Re: Warning on contingency wraps Back in the day I, as well as many other letterers were hand-painting the decals. I tried to make sure sizes and styles were correct to protect the racer/customer. Mainly because I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO REMOVE AND RE-DO THEM! Of course many of the dragster guys(and smaller cars) were searching for the smallest versions and even trimming them down to fit. Even more crucial today!!