1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Steve - whats your guess on this car - looks to be a 440 - 67 SpringNats?

Yes...the 440 car. White interior, GTX emblem on the fender.

Frank...I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of all things Mopar. I just enjoy the history of Chrysler Racing, and searching for lost race cars. While I have done an extensive amount of research on '67 cars, my heart is with the '64 and '65 cars. The information I provided in this post is easily found across the web, especially if you search this particular forum. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together (dating photos, events, etc). I'm not claiming to be the end all expert on this, nor will I ever, because there's too many people that are gone now who could fill in blanks.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

Yes...the 440 car. White interior, GTX emblem on the fender.

Frank...I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of all things Mopar. I just enjoy the history of Chrysler Racing, and searching for lost race cars. While I have done an extensive amount of research on '67 cars, my heart is with the '64 and '65 cars. The information I provided in this post is easily found across the web, especially if you search this particular forum. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together (dating photos, events, etc). I'm not claiming to be the end all expert on this, nor will I ever, because there's too many people that are gone now who could fill in blanks.

Steve, do you use Facebook at all? I’ve compiled a couple of lists over time, of the A864 and A990 cars, original drivers and owners.

Have you seen them?

[Rat Patrol]

I found this..Grotheer...67...but no scoop.

I have no idea where this fits

[340Cuda]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

I found this..Grotheer...67...but no scoop.

I have no idea where this fits

Was there supposed to be a photo?

I am pretty familiar with that car as I crewed for the second owner and knew Don and the car before that. It always had a scoop as far as I know.

[Rat Patrol]

I know it says SS/B....would this have been the 67 Winter Nationals car ?

I read that the 66 drivetrain was swapped into it?

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Steve, do you use Facebook at all? I’ve compiled a couple of lists over time, of the A864 and A990 cars, original drivers and owners.

Have you seen them?

Never seen them. I have been doing my own using the dealer code info from Darrell's books. Trying to match cars to areas. Some of the engineering cars throw you for a loop...but when you match vins and etc, you can put some of that together. I know of an engineering R051 car that is still owned by the original owner.

Some of that stuff that was published by others on Facebook a few years back was bogus. When one dealer tells me they received two '64 A864 Dodges, and has paper and photo documentation showing you such, but neither car was included on the published "lists", for example. (EDIT: I should add that I offered to share info without success. This person was convinced that they could find original owners just by searching results from 1964.) A lot of these cars traded hands quick due to lack of experience with the Hemi in 1964 and 1965. Some racers were very frustrated when they couldn't get their Hemi car to run better than the Wedge they just abandoned. I don't think anyone will ever be able to put an exact list together, but there is enough info to get pretty close.

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

I know it says SS/B....would this have been the 67 Winter Nationals car ?

I read that the 66 drivetrain was swapped into it?

That photo is pretty washed out across the top. It may or may not have a scoop on it. It was definitely a converted 6-cyl car. I haven't spoken to Don on that exactly, but have heard it from a couple sources that are close to him to say it is truth.

The '67 cars were really a horrible after thought. There were plans in '66 to do another A990 type package, but that never followed through. At the same time though, a lot of racers liked the '67 cars because they were more "complete" and didn't require a bunch of extra work...like the '68 cars did.

You know what's really interesting about '67 Package cars? How many original paint survivors there still are in existence. I can think of four Dodges and one Plymouth right off the top of my head. I still have a fair amount of cars unaccounted for though.

[Rat Patrol]

Steve - you may find these lists useful/interesting/hopelessly incorrect! 😆

64 Race Hemi A864 - Car , Driver, Team

Hoeferts Hurricane - Claude Bradshaw Sr - Hoefert Dodge, Alton Ill
Eddie Smith - West Virginia -
Snorkasaurus IV - Blue Barnes
Bob Cain - Fred F Cain Plymouth
Melrose Missile VI - Tommy Grove - Melrose Plymouth
Hemi Honker - Bud Faubel - Shively Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) ( Hardtop converted from Max wedge)
Golden Commando 5 & 6- Forest Pitcock - Hamilton Motors (Sedan & Hardtop) (Hardtop converted from Max Wedge)
Candymatic - Jim Thornton - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
Candymatic Too - Mike Buckel - Ramchargers - Hodges Dodges
‘Our Bear’? - Dave Strickler - Dodge Boys (Sedan & Hardtop) - Ill.
Larry Lawrence - The Dodge Boys, Portland Oregon
Yankee Peddler - Wild Bill Flynn - County Dodge (Hardtop)
Color Me Gone - Roger Lindamood
Hustler - Pat Minick - Grand Spaulding Dodge
Hemi-Charger - Dick Landy - Automotive Research
Mayflower V - Hank Taylor - (Hank Taylor in his 1964 Plymouth S/SA 'Mayflower V' was the first S/SA to go under 11.50. He did it at Phenix City, Alabama in August 1964. He re-set the S/SA National Record.)
Paul Rossi- Westborn Chrysler Raiders
Dick Lohr - Hine Motors
The Hemi-Roid - Gene Snow - Melton & Snow Autos
Mr Plymouth 426 - Robert Nance
Lawman - Al Ekstrand
777 - Jakes Speed Equipment
The Butcher - Jim Ford (Hardtop)
Ramrunner Too - Miller/Kruger Illinois
Lee Smith - Nate Learners Chrysler (Sedan & Hardtop)
The Warsaw Rebel (Hardtop) - (Some question over this car)
Joe Smith - Fenner Tubbs (Hardtop)
Born Wild
Its a Hemi - Tom Strunk & Hayden Proffit - Yeakel Plymouth Center (Sedan & Hardtop)
Big Red - Dave Lewis
Missouri Mule- Doc Spence - Site Bros
Bill Barton - Burgoise & Wade
Maverick - Bill ‘Maverick’ Golden - Orange County Dodge
Earl Wade - Speed Enterprises
Jim Rodgers - Town & Country Chrysler Plymouth
Flying Carpet - Bob Harrop - Harrop Crescent Dodge
Suspect
Hemi-Munster
Flying Dutchman - Al Vandervoude - Culver City Plymouth
Tax Dodge - Joe ?
Billy West - The Little Pilgrim - Yates Motor Company NC
The Iron Butterfly - Ted Spehar
Grey Ghost - Jim Hale - Jim’s Speedshop
Quarterbender - Bill Rieck - Lompoc Performance Center
Suddenly II - The Dodge Boys - Larry ? /Melvyn ?/ Tex ?
Hurricane - Herb Freels - Francis & Parsons
Satellite - Harold Laplatte - Ferriero Motor Sales
Mr Black - Ron Powers - Powers Automotive
Determination - Jim Clark
Big Money Dodge (ex Ramchargers car)
Rebel - Penn- Can Motors
Roadrunner -
Tickles me pink -
Jayhawker - Jon Thorne
Goldfinger Hawaiian Style
11th Commandment II - Joe Bambace
Jerry Maycock - Mckay/Swift Dodge
Gary Ostrich - Chuck Ostrich Inc. - (Hardtop)
Hemi-Head Plymouth - Bill Dill - Minnesota (Hardtop)
Tim Hennessey/Bill Drakes (Hardtop)
Lynn Ferguson - Lundy Motors, StJohns Michigan (Hardtop)
Al’s Auto Sales (Hardtop)
Hair bender - Dick Hansen/Gordon Stewart - Sioux Falls
McCullach-Ricci Chrysler Plymouth - Detroit
Hahn Motor Company
Mr Motech- John Tedder - Michigan
Jay Miner - New York
King of the Goats - ‘Big Deal’ Jacobs - Alabama
Teachers Pet - Jerry Stein
Don Owens - Pink Panther
Jersey Duke 2- Jack Werst - Duke Motors
Rumblebee - Assay -Bruno Motors, NJ (Later Wild Man)
Pandemonium - Jim O’Connor